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Jul 8, 2017 21:22:15 GMT
Post by deguconvert on Jul 8, 2017 21:22:15 GMT
They are LOVELY!! Have you heard how the littlest girl is doing? I love the shape and ear size that you are going for. To me, those have always been the most attractive and beautiful of Chins. So glad you are not following the general breeding trend. Bet they will be knocking on your door in the future, looking for healthy animals with stronger genetics!
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Jul 9, 2017 13:12:35 GMT
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 9, 2017 13:12:35 GMT
Haha. I highly doubt that even though it would be nice. The gene pool in Europe seems good and strong. I would like others to want the same as me, and get a breeding standard according to these preferences.
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Jul 12, 2017 11:26:14 GMT
Post by darthchinchi on Jul 12, 2017 11:26:14 GMT
I'm thinking of names now. I want to theme them and was thinking Elfquest. For the girls: Dewshine = White girl Moonshade = Big beige girl Nightfall or Brownberry = Little beige girl Boys: Skywise and Cutter (Skywise fits with the names for the girls. No male elfs with names that fit besides this one. Skywise and Cutter are best friends/"life mates" Tanner and Bearclaw (Boys are beige, even though Tanner referes to tanning skin it reminds me of the Tan <-- used to describe brown chinchillas with colour on their belly. Bearclaw also makes me think of brown) Not sure what combination to pick with the boys. Nightfall fits with the other names of the girls, on the other hand Brownberry fits well with her being small/the runt of the litter. Thoughts? All going to start with Furrytails' as this i my breeder name
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Jul 12, 2017 17:42:04 GMT
Post by deguconvert on Jul 12, 2017 17:42:04 GMT
Is there a brown gemstone, like Tigereye, that would work? Or a moss or fungus (Fairyring) that would work for a name for the tiny one?
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Jul 12, 2017 17:44:31 GMT
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 12, 2017 17:44:31 GMT
Going with elfquest names. I really like the comic
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Jul 12, 2017 18:06:12 GMT
Post by deguconvert on Jul 12, 2017 18:06:12 GMT
OK
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Post by Bexi87 on Jul 12, 2017 18:31:55 GMT
I like skyswise and tanner to be honest, but if you are going with those combinations I'd pick skywise and cutter
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 12, 2017 20:15:47 GMT
I like skyswise and tanner to be honest, but if you are going with those combinations I'd pick skywise and cutter I did think about tanner and skywise as well... Think I'm dropping brownberry as it makes me think of something coming out the backend lol. I
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 22, 2017 16:42:28 GMT
I totally forgot to show you pics with names. They are on my blog. I've added a few from my phone. The one with the kit and dads backend is to show their colour. Dad is grey, kits are beige (or rather tan Ebony) it shows a bit better when they are next to dad. White girl is getting so big. By far the largest in the litter. She doesn't really like being handled. Same with her sister. Both boys like handling a lot better and little boy don't mind a cuddle. furrytails-dk.blogspot.dk/2017/07/stamtavler-aner-og-strre-unger.html?m=1Link contains pictures and info in danish
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 16:44:59 GMT
Soooooo cute!!!!
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Post by randomname on Jul 22, 2017 20:59:29 GMT
oh my gosh the little white one!! Did my guys used to look like that? like cotton wool with a face & feet?! awww
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 25, 2017 11:19:47 GMT
I'm not sure how good I've been at explaining the negative aspect of this on here.
As you know she got 5 kits. I had to remove one as everyone was loosing weight. This made everyone gain weight. So now we are on 4 kits. Every one of them is being ruffed up a bit. I'm thinking this is due to how many they are. It's mostly tails I see a bit of blood on. One however has lost part of her ear, why I do not know. Mum is okay but very thin. It will take some time for her to get back in shape. No wonder as this is a lot to deal with for her even though dad is helping out. I've experienced issues before. One thing is loosing kits. I've had to take a chinchilla to the vet with her first litter. This is not unheard of. She couldn't give birth on her own. Was so scared I would loose her. At that point I really didn't care about the kits. Sounds awful but that is the risk. We risk loosing our animals when breeding them. Vet asked me to hold her while he tried to pull at the kit (tail was sticking out), and I could feel the kit squirming on the inside. Like some kind of horror movie. Every thing ended up fine with her and everyone survived. Sometimes when they can't give birth to kits they will start chewing them to get them out. It might only result in a kit missing some tail or a limb, but it can just as easily result in a dead kit. One time we had this one kit who looked perfect but it wouldn't gain weight. Some choose to let nature take its course, we normally take them to the vet. It turned out she wasn't perfect. Underdeveloped lungs and no reflex to swallow. We had to put the kit down.
If someone stumples across this and sees cute babies, I just want them to know all the issues that follows. Chances are you will loose money if you breed your animals. If they go out into pet homes, you have no control. I believe 90% of kits I've sold are dead now. Most died way too young because of accidents. It is heart breaking. I haven't sold to bad owners. They are such sweet people, they just made a bad decision, or experiences accidents. I've only ever experienced one person I regretted selling to. One was killed by her dog who got into the cage. The other one got out and dissappear... I haven't felt more guilty ever.
In some countries I believe people are able to make a living of off breeding chinchillas. This is not possible here, not unless people go into the pelting industry, and even then it's hard. Most I know end up with a lot of their own kits for various reasons. This means new cages and increase in supply costs. Chinchillas get old.. It's not like a mouse or rat only living a couple of years, 5 if you are lucky. So you are potentially responsible for a lot of years to come, if you can't find owners for the kits.
Just to clarify I'm not trying to encourage breeding. It's a lot of hard work with a lot of riscs.
And it becomes an occupational hazard that you really want to rescue chinchillas as well... There's just so many out there seeking new owners (not in rescues), looking awful and it's hard not to take them in (well, not really when owners want crazy amounts of money for poorly looking animals. Would love to help but not going to pay too much for an animal I also need to spend a lot of money on vet bills for)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:31:13 GMT
What a brilliant explanation of the risks Darthchinchi.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 18:31:15 GMT
I had 3 litters born last week darthchinchi. of these litters, a first time mom had a single kit (thank goodness!) A very experienced mom had triplets. Another experienced mom had twins. The female of the triplets could not walk, after 6 hours of birth. I knew she would not make it, fostered off her brother, and tried to give her some energy, it failed and she died in my hands. I hate triplets. they get "hangry" and can fight to the death if you don't intervene. I had quads-its rare a mom can handle more than 3 without some level of handfeeding. Or worse, mom dies... c section needed (costs about 500£ here) or oxytocin doesn't work... Hand feeding every 2 hours, day and night... The sad fact is 20% of babies die even when you know what you are doing, and you risk massive vets bills. to even turn a slight profit you need more than 100 chins and do only the very basics!
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Jul 25, 2017 18:41:59 GMT
Post by darthchinchi on Jul 25, 2017 18:41:59 GMT
I know of some people who makes money. They invested heavily in mutations like the angora, locken and blue diamond when they were new. They sell at the same high prices as they paied for them. One actually exportes to countries like China. They can't make it a way of life though. If people show as well there's a huge cost here.
It was a bit of an issue with 5 in one litter. But mum is doing so good and the 5th kit is doing okay. It literally was a question of removing 1 kit and hoping some other female would take her or risk loosing 2-3 kits. It's a hard decition to make, and I hate it that the little girl is not home with me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 18:45:23 GMT
that is true... an angora here is 1000-3000£ dependent... thus obviously they would make more money. I remember the quads i had, oh gosh. They fought, rotating, top up feeding... you're lucky all 5 are making it! so pleased for you!
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Jul 25, 2017 18:51:01 GMT
Post by darthchinchi on Jul 25, 2017 18:51:01 GMT
Thank you. I was lucky I could find an other female for the little one. Had a friend who had kits the same day, but didn't dare add her as it's an older female (thought she was sterile I think), with an other female and a male, so wasn't sure if they would attack a kit they didn't know.
A farmer lives about 40mins away by car. She didn't actally have any females with small kits but found a solution anyway. If it hadn't worked out with the 4, I would have been back the next day with the little boy. But weights stabalised as soon at the little girl was removed.
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Jul 25, 2017 19:15:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 19:15:55 GMT
I usually alow 3 days for milk to come in, after that if no weight gain, help out. Never had an issue after day 3 besides with rescues. Odd... but do you not remove the males? backbreeding is real risky to be pregnant and nursing at the same time. Also fostering tends to work, always worries me they will attack a foreign kit but most just get right in there and help out. which with large litters like you had is fab!
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 26, 2017 5:25:26 GMT
It varies. Sometimes I do. This time around dad helped with kits right away so I descided not to remove due to the number of kids. Some pairs seem to control the back breeding themselves. Others don't. Here it's not uncommon to let them back breeders once. Nobody ever really has any problems with this.
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Jul 26, 2017 8:30:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 8:30:35 GMT
Backbreed is only done here on small litters. Nursing alot of babies and being pregnant they loose alot of conditon which can be fatal with large litters. I would ot tske the risk based on if they control a backbreed or not. Also the risk of trampling babies. Interesting how they do it over there. Most here only aim for 1-2 litters a year to keep up the health od the mother..
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