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Post by zo on Apr 14, 2021 6:23:17 GMT
No it was a different vets again I really don’t want them to just put him to sleep should I not go or see what they say and get a second opinion or get him put to sleep I know he has a prolapse penis and his teeth need sorting out I think he definitely has root problems with them but do you think that would be to much for him to be put through and have him put to sleep I really don’t know what to do I’m so nervous about going and I think if I don’t go I’m leaving him in pain as his teeth definitely need sorting I don’t think the other vet trimmed his front teeth down enough last time as they have grown back already he is struggling to open his mouth from it I feel so bad for him and just want what’s best for him
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Post by moletteuk on Apr 14, 2021 9:21:34 GMT
They are obliged to warn you and some vets make it sound a bit scary and give worst case scenario. They absolutely cannot put him to sleep without your permission.
If his teeth need more work after only a few weeks then he does have severe dental disease, but it may be that the first vet did not do the dental work very well. Overgrown front teeth are nearly always a side effect of a problem at the back.
Overgrown roots are rarely immediately life threatening and metacam can usually controls it adequately for months or years. Unfortunately, the prolapsed penis could be linked to something life threatening. Try not to worry about the anaesthetic as there is no way round that.
I can't really advise which vet to see between this new one and the other one you liked. If this one immediately scared you perhaps the other one you liked is a better option evenn if they are further away.
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Post by zo on Apr 14, 2021 9:58:31 GMT
Thanks so much for your reply I’m on my way there now fingers crossed for him I will let you know the outcome I’m so nervous it’s horrible
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Post by moletteuk on Apr 14, 2021 10:07:44 GMT
Good luck!
Get xrays if you can!
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Post by zo on Apr 14, 2021 11:21:06 GMT
The vet told me they want to put him to sleep and that he has to many problems and it’s not fair to keep putting him through this she said they are not going to keep doing this to him and that it wouldn’t be fair the fact that he has a prolapse and that his teeth have grown back straight the way
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Post by moletteuk on Apr 14, 2021 12:24:48 GMT
I'm very sorry.
How do you feel about it? Do you trust them? Is it worth a second opinion at the one vets you liked?
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Post by zo on Apr 14, 2021 13:14:14 GMT
I feel so upset by it all you know what I didn’t trust the vet that’s why I refused I was going to put him to sleep but then they bought him back out to me and I looked at him and said I’m not putting him to sleep and that I feel as though I need to try with him all I get from them is that they are not specialists I’m sick of being told that I feel cruel putting him through this but also cruel putting him to sleep she said to me that if it’s recurring that they are not willing to keep putting him through it so won’t treat him basically the first vet I saw said that the teeth do grow back and they have to keep getting them trimmed he didn’t seem that he needed to be put to sleep it’s such a hard roller coaster to know what’s right I know he is really underweight but I was building him back up again and I know that there is more to it but if I think he seemed happy apart from his teeth growing again this time why shouldn’t I try they are doing his teeth now I will have to pick him up when they call
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Post by deguconvert on Apr 14, 2021 17:34:36 GMT
Have you picked him up now? How did the teeth go? Do you know if they looked at his molars . . . and if there were dental issues back there that needed treating?
Just for my understanding, because I'm not really sure . . . the vets you were at today, are the original vets that you don't like?
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Post by zo on Apr 14, 2021 21:11:56 GMT
Yes he is home now the teeth went really well they said he was fine and he seemed really good when I picked him up he was even trying to chew his carrier cage which is a good sign they trimmed the front teeth and said his molars are fine they wasn’t over grown I told them to make sure they checked them when he was asleep I felt so mad with that vets when I picked him up it just proved I was right not to put him to sleep just yet they didn’t even give me any pain relief for him it’s shocking they told me to use the one I already have from before no this was a different vets again I wouldn’t have took him this vets today but I knew he needed a trim on his front teeth they didn’t x ray him they didn’t treat his penis they just wanted to put him sleep without even trying anything do you think I was right to do what I did or am I just prolonging what will happen eventually
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Post by teemu on Apr 14, 2021 22:22:49 GMT
It sounds like you're going through a really tough time with your degu. Sadly, it's really hard to say what would be the best option. Ultimately, only you can really say what is the right option for him, as you're the one who cares for him and monitors him. You should consider the options calmly and only think about what's best for him. It's never an easy thing to do, but making these decisions is our responsibility as well, as pet owners who've pledged to care for our little family members and make sure they don't go through needless suffering, if necessary.
If you are unsure and it seems like one of the big problems was taken care of, you could try to get a second opinion from a vet who you feel is more trustworthy. A vet with degu experience would be best suited to answer the question whether he's got a chance to get better or not.
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Post by deguconvert on Apr 15, 2021 2:22:30 GMT
I love your answer, Teemu! And I second it.
Zo . . . while none of us want to hear bad news, if it is the only option, it is much easier to hear from someone whose compassion and judgement we feel confidence in. I would recommend either returning to the vet you liked, or insisting on a referral to John Chitty, with a copy of the referral sent to your email address. If there is a place were complaints can be made, even multiple places, then tell them complaints will be registered unless your request to be referred is fulfilled.
That's what would be in my mind. How good it is . . . well you can weigh it and do what seems right.
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Post by bouncy on Apr 15, 2021 9:10:54 GMT
Ditto DC! There's still so much we don't know about what's going on inside, and it's frustrating they didn't take an xray. As moletteuk says, if it turns out there is an issue with the roots, they can carry on for years! Scaredygoo had bad roots, and took metacam every day for four years until a tumour took him. His brothers are both the same, but are still with us. Their systems tolerate it marvellously, and often fight to drink it from the syringe because of its honey flavour. Going to my goo cage at drug time has little noses lined up at the bars, pushing each other away to be first.
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Post by zo on Apr 16, 2021 13:27:40 GMT
Thanks all for your opinions I had the worst day ever going to that vets what they did to me that day wanting to put him down wasn’t right I love my pet degus and would do anything for them and now I have really thought about it I think I made the right choice if I felt it was right to put him to sleep then I would have but my gut told me it wasn’t right and I don’t think he was ready to go yet if he wasn’t eating drinking weeing or poohing and he was lying there like he wanted to give up then I would have ended his suffering but he wasn’t he still seems ok if he is still fighting then I will fight with him and yes I would prefer a vet who I trust who actually cares about small animals and have said to me there is know hope then I will make that choice I will get a second opinion from the vet where my girl goes I do feel bad for him with his prolapse penis but because he is still weeing ok and it’s not infected red or looks bad surly it can be treated it was very dry last night though so I ky jelly it again hope that helps a bit for him
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Post by moletteuk on Apr 17, 2021 8:48:38 GMT
I'm sorry I reassured you it was just a standard pre anaesthetic warning, they can be a bit scary, but in this case it turned out to be a vet not interested in treating small furries.
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Post by bouncy on Apr 17, 2021 9:57:09 GMT
Yep, everyone has to sign a waiver of anaesthesia is going to be used. They give the same warning for humans, too.
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Post by savvy on Apr 17, 2021 10:56:54 GMT
Vets can come across as very cold hearted on occasions. I think we've all encountered vets who advise euthanasia when it's not needed, and I think you did the right thing in following your instincts. Second opinions are always an option, and they cannot stop you seeking out a different vet, they don't like it, but they can't stop you.
A vet once said to me that I would know when the time was right when it came to putting a beloved pet to sleep, and he was right, I did. You know your pets better than anyone, they'll tell you when they're ready.
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Post by zo on Apr 20, 2021 22:55:34 GMT
Yes that’s true you do know your pets the boy is doing so much better now bouncing around having a little go on the wheel trying to eat what he can he eat sunflower seeds and trying to eat his nuggets and I’m still feeding him his critical care also he was fluffed up bloated before because I think he was dehydrated he is not fluffed up bloated now that’s better plus I think he is putting weight on the thing I’m worried about still is his penis being out completely I’m going to ask the nice vets where the girl goes about it see what she says so I took the girl goo back vets the other day for a follow up appointment she is still on meds until Tuesday then she will go under anaesthetic to check the back of her mouth to see if she has teeth issues or the mass has grown into the mouth and that’s why her tongue keeps coming out I really hope it hasn’t grown in her mouth
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Post by savvy on Apr 20, 2021 23:05:46 GMT
Glad to hear he's doing better.
Let us know how it goes at the vets. Hopefully they can do something to help them.
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Post by moletteuk on Apr 21, 2021 9:54:15 GMT
Great to hear Scar Face is doing better
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Post by zo on May 1, 2021 16:40:53 GMT
Hi everyone so went to the vets Friday took both shadow the girl and scar face the boy they both went in together which was good and had dentals so shadow had a wobbly back tooth the vet said they just touched it and it fell out she also had two spurs which the vet filled down and the lumps are on the inside of her mouth a little bit she also has pneumonia so a lot of things there she is on antibiotics Baytril for 3 weeks twice a day and also pain relief anti inflammatory once a day the vet also took a bit of sample from her lump to see if she can see what it is scar face had 3 spurs grown in the back of his mouth vet filled them down for him also put his penis back in and said that was fine it wasn’t out all the way and it’s stayed in for now he also has pneumonia and is on antibiotics for 3 weeks and pain relief once a day I don’t understand how they both have pneumonia this vet is do much better for them they actually care which is nice
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