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Post by Bexi87 on Jul 9, 2017 12:21:27 GMT
I really need to improve my foraging knowledge and get into the lovely munches more
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 9, 2017 16:30:32 GMT
Except for the hazel and the grasses everything on the last two pictures can be eaten by humans. Not sure how white clover tastes though. Don't think I would eat it. Rose petals can be used to endure tast to water like a form of ice tea. As far as I remember you can make a syrup on sugar and water, add the rose petals and thin with water. Might have to spice it up with lemon
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Post by deguconvert on Jul 10, 2017 17:10:55 GMT
I have recently been introduced to Kombucha . . . my Mom and sister have been making it . . . and now I am too. I tend to be a bit adventurous with flavor and spicing (within my family anyway) and so now that I am learning to make it myself, I've begun trying to think of flavor combinations that are not just straight forward fruit for the second ferment. My last effort I tried rose water, rhubarb, and cardamom. WOW!! It is SO good!! You have to be careful with the rose water as it dominates everything, so very little (1/4 tsp flavors 2 litres) is needed. Now I'm busy in my head thinking what else can I try. Will have to make sure I record my efforts and keep the successes while not repeating the bombs, LOL!
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 10, 2017 18:54:34 GMT
A lot of these plants can be used in home made pesto.
I love having all sorts of plants I can use for salads and dressing in my garden. Seasoning is so much fun when you can just go out and pick something and experiment
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 10, 2017 20:35:38 GMT
I don't have any to be honest as I just pick stuff and mix it up
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 13, 2017 20:38:17 GMT
No pic today.
I'm running low on grasses I can give them. Today I'm trying to introduce great willowherb and they are getting feverfew for the first time too. Felt they needed a bit more flowers, so 1 feverfew flower for each cage.
They are also getting: White clover (we have so much they get it every day), dandelion, sage flowers, basil, parsley, horsetail, strawberry leaves a two grasses with seeds on them.
I'm trying to give them 10 different plants every day. Some plants are the same from day to day, like dandelion and white clover. I'm not really sure about the ratio of these plants. I am hoping that by providing 10+/- I will not hit a problem with plants that may not be good to feed in greater ammounts. So far it looks to be working.
I'm also supplementing them on zoolac (they get it when I feel like it and when I can find it in my fridge lol), as the weather seems to affect their poo. Before we had a hot spell i saw a positive effect on their poo, it looked a bit bigger and healthier. Now the weather is having an affect it is har to tell if the food is having a negative affect as well.
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Post by bouncy on Jul 14, 2017 15:36:04 GMT
From the German sites.......
Poisonous Food Plants
Red maple
Mandrake
Arum (both Lords & Ladies and Italian)
Henbane
Wisteria
Agaric
Hellebore
Diieffenbachia
Yew
Monkswood/devil's helmet/Wolfsburg
Nightshade
Fern
Foxglove
Bunchflower
Poison ivy
Oak leaves
Laburnum
Galerina mushrooms
Meadow saffron/autumn crocus
Hound's-tongue
Chinese evergreen
Lily
Bitter lupins
Hellebore
Oleander
Delphinium
Castor oil plant/bean
Christmas rose
Desert rose
Wild hops/English Mandrake
Juniper /cedar
Hemlock
Fool's Web applications (fungus)
Thymelaeaceae group of plants
Tobacco
Deadly Nightshade/belladonna
Winter aconite
Cypress
*These are botanical translations - if you want to compare to a more familiar name for your country, please try Wikipedia as a reference!
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Post by moletteuk on Jul 14, 2017 18:54:59 GMT
So the amounts you are giving them are really quite small if it's at the level of individual flowers. This is probably sensible given the climate around fresh feeding, plus if you are getting most of it from your own garden, you are always going to be limited in quantity (unless you have a massive garden). According to the theory, the ideal situation for our pet hind gut fermenters is that they have enough of everything that they can self select but not enough of any of the potentially problematic plants (eg dock/rumex) that they have an issue with any individual species or group of plants. This does mean wastage as they won't be eating everything and it does assume that animals have the ability to seek out plants that provide something they are lacking and avoid ones that are causing a bodily excess of something else. bouncy I've never heard of 'bunchflower'. I would dispute oak leaves being poisonous, they are quite often classed as 'problematic' but safe in small quantities, they contain high levels of tannins, which degus at least seem to cope with quite well. |
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Post by bouncy on Jul 14, 2017 20:58:57 GMT
Herb/plant List
Can be fed fresh or dried. May find that field herbs are more willingly received than garden/kitchen herbs. Remember, this is the actual plants, not the fruit or seeds of the plant.
Unproblematic Herbs
These can be fed in large quantities.
Lemongrass
Flatsedge
Field scabiosa
Bindweed
Field bindweed
Burnet
Tufted vetch
Bird vetch
Chicory
Plantain
Violet
Spiderwort
Jerusalem artichoke
Sweet grasses
Geranium
Pansies
Small balsam
Indian balsam
Stevia
Spurrey
Sunflower
Various sedges
Salsify
Heronsbill
Primrose/cowslip
Common reed
Lady's smock
Common yarrow
Marigold/calendula
Rocket
Couchgrass
Rough hawksbeard
Agrimony
Orange blossom
Nettles
Water avens
Vines
Radish
Chickweed
Mint
Starwort
Orache
Chrysanthemum
Common mallow
Maize leaves
Meadowsweet
Dandelion
Spiderplant
Dracaena
Garden lovage
Flax
Prickly lettuce
Bedstraw
Queen of the Night
Cornflower
Bistort
Chamomile
Shepherd's purse
Sorghum
Stinkweed
Oat (without ears)
Hawkweed
All grasses
Lady's mantle
Fringed quickweed
All cinquefoil
Common cat's ear
Cholla
Fennel
Strawberry
Endive
Speedwell
Echinacea
All thistles (without barbs)
Spelt
Dahlia
Creeping inchplant
Horseweed
Winter cress
Hogweed
Banana plant
Bamboo
Tumbleweed
Artichoke
Daisy
Selective
Plants to be fed selectively, mixed in with unproblematic plants, but in much smaller quantities due to being disliked, or mildly poisonous in quantity. Never feed these plants alone, and do not give if the diet includes pellets.
All dock
Valerian
Basil
Spignel
Mugwort
Comfrey
Tormentil
Savory
Starflower
Chrysanthemum (all flowers OK)
Dill
Gravel root
Angelica
Sainfoin
Estragon
Cabbage
Ground ivy
Oat (with ears)
Buttercup
Heather
Hops
St. John's Wort
Evening Primrose
Clovers
Coriander
Crosses
Caraway
Coltsfoot
Lavender
Campion
Lupins
Alfalfa
Marjoram
Lemon balm
Viper's bugloss
Poppy
Butterbur
Oregano
Parsley
Peppermint
Thyme
Tansy
Rapeseed
Hollyhock
Rosemary
Horsetail
Sage
Bird's foot
Marigold
Forget-me-not
Woodruff
Wormwood
Meadow sage
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 15, 2017 11:45:04 GMT
moletteukUsually they have leftovers in the cage from what I give them. But at them moment I don't think anybody would believe the quantity of food they go through. It's crazy. Even my boy who doesn't eat that much eats a lot. I think I might try and weigh what I give them.
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 19, 2017 7:26:30 GMT
Yesterday I noticed the kits tugging into the fresh while mum and dad went for a mix of pellets and fresh. I didn't weigh separate portions. I picked 300g of mixes greens and divided it for my 8 animals (not counting kits). Every cage has some leftovers today. And everyone is still alive  |
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Post by bouncy on Jul 20, 2017 0:15:15 GMT
Branch/Twig lists
Twigs and branches that can be given, and included in their plant food.
Unproblematic branches
These can be fed in large quantities.
Apple
Chokeberry
Apricot (a chin favourite)
Bamboo
Birch
Pear
Blueberry
Blackberry
Gojiberry
Beech
Deutlich shrubs
Chequers
Alder
Fig
Serviceberry
Pyracantha
Gingko
Hazel
Raspberry
Red/blackcurrant
Sweet chestnut
Cherry
Kiwi
Lime
Mulberry
Plum
Mountain Ash/rowan
Nectarine
Poplar
Peach
Plantain
Quince
Hawthorn
Buckthorn
Barberry
Blackthorn
Spiraea
Gooseberry
Rose of Sharon
Elm willow
Damson
Selective
To be given selectively, mixed in with unproblematic plants, but in much smaller quantities due to being disliked, or mildly poisonous in quantity. Never feed these plants alone, and do not give if the diet includes pellets.
Maple (red maple is poisonous!)
Lemon
Weigela
Wild vine
Juniper (don't give any berries)
Fir
Summer lilac
Roses
Locust
Acacia
Orange
Olive
Almond
Mandarine
Magnolia
Laurel (VERY small amounts)
Privet (VERY small amounts)
Larch
Cornel
Pine
Horse chestnut
Elder
Dogwood
Broom
Forsythia
Lilac
Spruce
Ash
German oak
Ivy (generally poisonous, but a very few leaves OK)
Rowan
Douglas Fir
Boxwood (not recommended as a food)
Bearberry (leaves fed sparsely, fruit as a treat)
Poisonous
Cypress
Castor bean
Savin
Cedar
Arrow wood
White cedar
Spindle tree
Palms
Laburnum
Brugmansia (angel's trumpet)
Yew
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Post by bouncy on Jul 20, 2017 1:43:09 GMT
Fruits list
This list is for fresh feeding. Dried versions have much higher sugar concentrations, and reduced benefits. Dried should be fed sparingly as a treat, whilst fresh can be fed daily as an accompaniment to green feed.
The health properties should be read as the positive effects the fruit claims to have on rodents, per the original source.
Pineapple
Health properties - Antibacterial and worming, fever, oedema, and swelling, regulates digestion and bowel disorders, strengthens immune system, tumours, bone structure
Feeding - recommended
Apple
Health properties - diabetes, strengthens immune system, regulates digestion, constipation, diahorrea, blood purifying, joint problems, nervousness, eczema, palpitations, obesity, stones, tumours.
Feeding - recommended. Don't remove the skin, as best nutrition is found directly beneath.
Apricot
Health properties - fur problems, palpitations, cancer, eyes, strengthens immune system, constipation, diahorrea, nervousness, blood purifying, rheumatism.
Feeding - recommended
Avocado
Health properties - obesity, diabetes, stress, muscle development, fur problems.
Feeding - NOT recommended, as deaths noted when fed to rabbits.
Banana
Health properties - strengthens immune system, regulates digestion and all stomach ailments, palpitations, high blood pressure, underweight, detox, dry skin.
Feeding - recommended
Pear
Health properties - constipation, stomach cleansing, detox, regulates digestion, kidney and bladder problems, growth, bone strength.
Feeding - recommended
Blackberry
Health properties - strengthens immune system, connective tissue, inflamed mucus membranes, regulates digestion, constipation
Feeding - recommended
Cranberry
Health properties - kidney and bladder infection, mouth infection, plaque, bacteria, loss of appetite, diahorrea, fever, rheumatism, stomach ulcers.
Feeding - recommended
Date
Health properties - regulates digestion, underweight, respiratory tract illness , stress.
Feeding - recommended
Dragon fruit
Health properties - regulates digestion, constipation.
Feeding - recommended
Strawberry
Health properties - strengthens immune system, bacteria, inflammation, regulates digestion, high blood pressure, fur and bone problems, underweight, cancer.
Feeding - recommended
Fig
Health properties - regulates digestion, constipation, fur problems, stress, cancer.
Feeding - recommended
Pomegranate
Health properties - diabetes, tumours, palpitations, inflammation.
Feeding - recommended, but ONLY the fruit.
Grapefruit
Health properties - diabetes, strengthens immune system, stabilises bone, teeth, and connective tissue, anaemia, wounds, cancer prevention.
Feeding - recommended
Guava
Health properties - strengthens immune system, colds.
Feeding - recommended
Rosehip
Health properties - colds, strengthens immune system, bacterial and viral infections, excreting organ infections, diabetes, rheumatism, loss of appetite.
Feeding - recommended. Both fresh and dry can be fed daily.
Blueberry
Health properties - improves digestion, diahorrea, bacterial and viral infections, obesity, strengthens immune system.
Feeding - recommended
Raspberry
Health properties - tumour inhibition, eye infection, poor eyesight, kidney and bladder infection, detox, strengthens immune system, cardiovascular disease.
Feeding - recommended
Elderberry
Health properties - regulates blood pressure, strengthens immune and cardiovascular systems, colds, infection.
Feeding - feed selectively as a treat.
Honey melon
Health properties - n/a
Feeding - recommended
Blackcurrant
Health properties - tumour inhibition, supports immune system, hormone production, stress, strengthens heart and muscle, anaemia, diahorrea.
Feeding - recommended
Carob
Health properties - n/a
Feeding - recommended
Cherry
Health properties - reduces uric acid, inflammation, obesity, digestion, bone and teeth, tooth decay, blood condition.
Feeding - recommended for both sweet and sour cherries.
Kiwi
Health properties - metabolism, strengthens immune system, viruses, bacteria, connective tissue, hormone production, bleeding gums, diabetes, rheumatism, palpitations.
Feeding - recommended
Coconut flesh
Health properties - n/a
Feeding - recommended
Lychee
Health properties - n/a
Feeding - recommended
Mango
Health properties - stress, metabolism, digestion, obesity, strengthens immune system.
Feeding - recommended
Mandarine
Health properties - n/a
Feeding - recommended
Passion fruit
Health properties - restlessness, cramps.
Feeding - not stated.
Plum
Health properties - constipation, digestion, stress, strengthens heart and immune system, liver and kidney function.
Feeding - recommended
Nectarine
Health properties - n/a
Feeding - recommended
Orange
Health properties - growth, stress, strengthens immune system, connective tissue, cancer, bleeding gums, strengthens teeth and bones, strengthens heart and muscle, high blood pressure
Feeding - recommended
Papaya
Health properties - improves protein absorption, vitality, regulates digestion, obesity, palpitations, stress, strengthens immune system.
Feeding - recommended
Peach
Health properties - skin problems, digestion, kidney problems, constipation, obesity, strengthens immune system, infection, stress, fear.
Feeding - recommended
Gooseberry
Health properties - n/a
Feeding - recommended
Cranberry
Health properties - bladder and kidney infections, including kidney stones, bacteria, stomach problems, loss of appetite.
Feeding - recommended
Watermelon
Health properties - n/a
Feeding - recommended
Grape
Health properties - regulates digestion, constipation, urine and kidney infections, bacteria, viruses, stress, depression, palpitations, lowers cholesterol.
Feeding - recommended
Hawthorn berry
Health properties - n/a
Feeding - recommended
Lemon
Health properties - strengthens immune system, anaemia, tumours, high cholesterol.
Feeding - Due to high acid content, not yet fed so unknown.
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 20, 2017 5:35:19 GMT
I think it's a bit odd some of these are recommended if they are on pellets too. Mine get some of the those not recommended even though they are on pellets and Tbh i really do not see the issue. Did it say what part if the sunflower they can have? I can't find any info on what part they can have. I know dried flower mixes contain petals, so I've tried fresh petals. Would be good of they could have more as I feel it's a waste if I can only feed the petals  |
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 20, 2017 5:44:43 GMT
And just to be super annoying. Bamboo is not a branch. It is a grass 😆
It looks like the info on fruits are taken directly from the believed positive effects it can have on humans. Seen this before. Common with herbs too.
Only thing is, a lot of these state they can help with cancer. I was reading up on this a long time ago and I do not believe this to be true. Some think it is possible avoid or even go cancer free on the correct diet. A tad bit problematic to tell people this is possible also that it may me possible for their pets.
Other than that I really like these lists!
This is purely comments on the lists! Not on the translation. The translation is fantastic.
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Post by bouncy on Jul 20, 2017 7:05:28 GMT
Yes, it is a bit contradictory! And agree with bamboo, but I think it might be there as a perception? Re Sunflower, if it's on the plant list and unproblematic, then you should be able to feed any of it. I'll keep going (there's LOADS left), and we can decide what to do with it afterwards |
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 20, 2017 8:12:58 GMT
I might take it and do an alphabetic list of your translations.
I was thinking about translating my own list as well.
It is funny how it says herbs shouldn't be given with pellets. Although it has been given dried and not fresh all herbs on the list have been given as supplements for ailments as long as I can remember. We had a farmer called DanChin (first to make a forum and an association for chinchilla owners in Denmark) who sold a lot of dried herbs. Their site may actually still be running. I can and take a look at herbs they sold.
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Post by moletteuk on Jul 20, 2017 10:34:08 GMT
All parts of sunflower are safe.
I think the branches lists are a bit optimisitc. Some of the things on the 'selective' list I would suggest are best reserved for keepers and animals with some experience of trying less than perfectly safe things out. And some of the trees in the unproblematic list I don't think should be fed unlimited, things like stonefruit trees certainly have problematic compounds in them that would cause a problem if they ate a lot quickly.
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