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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 21:38:06 GMT
Back to feeding greens!!! Bright eyed and bushy tailed lol, eating a leaf (of some description lol, it was attached to the Dandelion root stuff). He also gets a sprinkle of forage on his hay, eats that all first before his hay. Doesn't eat much nuggets though.. how much is normal Darth?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 21:41:13 GMT
I've got 2 that I'm mixing together, P@H nuggets (phasing out) and JR Farm.
Tomorrow I'll be mixing in Science Selective.. so he will eventually be on Jr Farm & Science Selective.
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 27, 2017 4:47:48 GMT
Dunno... I just know if it's normal what mine eat
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Post by darthchinchi on Jul 31, 2017 16:17:19 GMT
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Post by zenaida on Aug 1, 2017 2:16:18 GMT
"It's actually a requirement in the usa to have ALL animals autopsied... either by oneself of if in doubt a vet and have a cause of death on the reigister, or you are banned from the organisation!" Just to explain the autopsy thing. Sorry, more playing catch up for me. I don't want to stir a pot here, but as someone from the USA, I need to ask: where did you get this from? I've NEVER heard of this AT ALL! I've had many pets, and known many people with pets. I don't think I have ever known a pet to be autopsied. Granted I've never known someone with chin and few rodents overall. Most of my experience with with dogs and cats (both personally and through friends). Cause of death for the animal has ranged significantly from trauma (usually hit by car), to age related issues (tumors, diabetes, etc), euthenaisa (usually connected to age issues), to spontaneous death at relatively young age (suspected heart attack). I can not think of a single instance that autopsy was performed on any species. Even the ones that occurred at the vet. Even sudden unexplained death. Typically here people take the animal home and bury them in a nice spot in the back yard. Sometimes in city situations the vet will "take care" of the remains (I don't ask, don't want to know). Even more rarely, usually in cities, someone will elect to have a pet cremated or arrange for them to have a burial in a designated pet cemetery (but I have never personally seen this because it is so rare, I just know it exists). I quite frankly have NEVER heard of there being a register that requires the cause of death be declared on an animal. For humans, yes, a definitive cause of death needs to be registered. Also sudden unexplained death at a young age (particularly childhood) requires autopsy as I understand it. But adults with fairly obvious causes of death do not require autopsy, the doctors can simply declare due to cancer, heart failure, etc. I would very much like to know the source of this. Perhaps it is common to do autopsies in the chin world. However based on my limited experience I would be SHOCKED to hear that even 25% of small pet owners in the USA get an autopsy. From my observation most people don't even do basic vet care unless it is a dog and about 50% of the time on cats (it is practically required for dogs though with licensing and shots). Most Americans would find me to be a bit loopy for taking my degus to the vets (something, something about rodents being "disposable" and not "worth" the vet bill). Forget if I told them I would be paying to autopsy my degu (nothing's free here, I guarantee that those "required autopsies" would require the owner to pay).
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Post by darthchinchi on Aug 1, 2017 5:19:15 GMT
zenaida. I do believe it's the people who show who had to do this, and they primarily do it themselves. Imo that makes the whole premise faulty as to explaining the cause of death by autopsy. This is just my opinion. Farmers here do autopsies them selves as well to give a clue as to what went wrong. And for this it is very useful. Unless they have some sort of kowhow I just don't see them doing cultures or other relevant tests. I'm saying this as the ones I've got autopsied had a lot of tests done besides being cut open and looked at. Stuff I would never be able to find out with out a laboratory at hand, knowing from where to take the culture and determination what type of microorganisms I was cultivating.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 10:06:50 GMT
zenaida that's just what she told me, I was just the messenger. I found it hard to believe too and agree with all of your points. People here don't really take anything to the vets, dogs mostly, a cat if it's lucky. People think I'm bananas for taking my degus to the vet, it's the whole "just kill it or let it die and get a new one" because for some reason anything smaller than a cat is disposable?
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Post by randomname on Aug 1, 2017 10:50:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 11:09:00 GMT
Heehee I bet she is 😂 I love that smiley lol! It's me at the world.
Yeah, I think we'd find most vets are like that tbh or have said it at least once or twice.
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Post by zenaida on Aug 1, 2017 12:36:56 GMT
Ok, so it is a show organization that requires it. That makes more sense now.
Still it is sort of weird. I have friends who are involved with showing dogs (I don't think they currently are showing, but have in the past and may in the future). I think I'll ask them about if the American Kennel Club requires autopsies the next time we're hanging out. I have to be careful though, they had a beloved dog pass earlier this year. I don't want to upset them.
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Post by moletteuk on Aug 1, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
The Chinchilla Care book by Houston looks pretty good and actually pretty readable, they explain some of the scientific terms as they go along. I just had a glance through but I did notice the part saying that larger cages and exercise helps prevent bloat. Also that a lack of bacillus acidolphilus gut bacteria can cause bloat - which supports the gut flora problem theory.
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Post by darthchinchi on Aug 1, 2017 14:31:54 GMT
randomname this one is a lost cause lol. You just let it take you where ever it wants. It had a life of its own zenaida I do believe it's only the chinchilla association it's kinda like with rat people in Denmark (people who keep rats, not rats that looks like humanoids). I mentioned this elsewhere. Here it's common for rat breeders to sell their rats on contract with all sorts of weird requests. Just looked up a few to be sure. Some of that they want is a good thing. Like wanting byer to report back if an issue rises. But when they want to approve a new owner, if buyer has to sell on, or want documentation that shows the animal has been taken to the vet or want to approve if the animal can be put down, or best one, they are first in line to get the animal back if buyer can't keep it... That's just too much for me. If you can't handle selling an animal to others and do not trust they will rest it right, the for the love of God do not breed your animals. Like what on earth. If I buy an animal (or a font or what ever) I do not want to feel I have to report back because breeder does not trust my judgement.
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Post by deguconvert on Aug 1, 2017 18:10:30 GMT
WOW!! That's a lot to ask of your customers! Control freaks or what?
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Post by randomname on Aug 1, 2017 18:14:02 GMT
That's pretty standard for rescues, I can totally see why they do it. 8 of mine (half) are under similar contracts. No one has checked on me though. It's more to not rehome them without giving the rescue a call. It's actually good for me as, if everything went wrong, half the animals would have somewhere to go. I find that a comfort.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 18:56:16 GMT
Mine is too. I am not allowed to rehome him, he has to go back to the rescue.
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Post by darthchinchi on Aug 4, 2017 10:52:47 GMT
I like if people contact me to tell me what's going on. For me it's also different when we talk rescue animals as they came from a different background that a breeder animal (multiple homes, bad homes and so on). Thing is, by law an animal is no different than any other object you can go out and buy here. One of the things this means is, when you sell it, it's no longer your animal. What I find disturbing is what if I find a pet at a breeder, and then the breeder does something I do not think is okay. Then the breeder can come out and take my animal away because we do not agree on something... A rescue is rarely composed of one person, they rarely believe in roumers. I would hate it if I bought an animal and I couldn't do as I found best. And I do not get why people sell animals if they do not trust those they sell too. For me you can't really compare a rescue animal to a breeder animal.
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Post by darthchinchi on Aug 23, 2017 4:21:45 GMT
So a bit more on habitat vs fod This is an image of a typical spot for chinchillas to burrow (lend out by Save the Wild Chinchillas). As you may notice there is a lot of different plants here also a tree/bush like plant. Here is one of the plants they eat of (SWC photo). This is just to show how they don't just eat grassy type shrubs. Amy from SWC sent me a paper on what they eat, I can email the paper if anyone is interested (it's a PDF). I look at SWC as my most reliable source when it comes to wild chinchillas. m.youtube.com/watch?v=8EU8sq2nQPsA video of a wild young chinchilla eating.
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Post by randomname on Aug 23, 2017 4:57:19 GMT
Does this mean I can just put my cactus collection in the chin cage? would save space... (JOKE! before anyone replies seriously)
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Post by darthchinchi on Aug 23, 2017 11:08:42 GMT
Yeah. Punk chinchillas with spikes ftw lol
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Post by randomname on Aug 23, 2017 12:09:23 GMT
I once had to pick tiny spikes from the backside of an angry cat that had fell bum first on it. Same cat also sat on a candle & put it out & covered her bum with wax. She wasn't the brightest.
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