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Post by deguconvert on May 19, 2021 17:11:31 GMT
You're doing great, Hpdegus! It's hard to keep up that work, and you have to do that so many times a day! How are you doing after all these days?
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Post by moletteuk on May 19, 2021 18:28:35 GMT
Does he seem any different? After the course of drops, or at different stages of blood filling the eye?
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Post by hpdegus on May 19, 2021 23:21:21 GMT
Thanks Teemu, I've got my fingers crossed for that being the case!
Thank you DC! He's actually behaving really well with all this, so its much less painful for everyone involved.
His behavior really doesn't seem to have changed (maybe slightly different, but we're in the middle of a heat spell so I think that's it). He's still just as active and clumsy as before.
One thing I read is that steroid eye drops can potentially cause reversible cataracts? So I'm wondering if that could be aggravating anything? No clue here, just thought it was interesting.
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Post by hpdegus on May 19, 2021 23:22:06 GMT
Forgot to mention, it does seem to be draining again, which is good. Blood has gone from the entire center of the eye to more towards the bottom.
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Post by hpdegus on May 22, 2021 13:32:08 GMT
So this is weird and I'll try to post a picture in a bit.
Good news is that Pickett's eye is not blood red! Weird thing is that I can't see the cataract? So not sure if thats something to do with how the blood is draining?
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Post by hpdegus on May 22, 2021 13:44:05 GMT
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Post by savvy on May 22, 2021 13:45:58 GMT
Could the cataract have been flushed away by the blood? What's his vision like now?
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Post by hpdegus on May 22, 2021 13:51:55 GMT
Perhaps? I found a few very preliminary studies showing that steroid eye drops had been shown to dissolve cataracts in mice and dogs.
I brought it up with the vet (I first noticed this last week before the bleed started again) and she thought I was just comparing his eyes, that he has the beginnings of a cataract in the second eye. In other words, I was just missing it.
I wonder if there's anything else that would prevent me seeing a cataract. Would excess pressure do that?
But the pictures are clearly different, I'm not just seeing things, right?
I'll do a bit of a test tonight during playtime.
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Post by savvy on May 22, 2021 14:00:34 GMT
I think the vision test will be the big one. If its back, even just a little bit, it proves the cataract has either shifted or gone completely.
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Post by hpdegus on May 23, 2021 0:45:37 GMT
Any suggestions on how to test his vision? I put some extra obstacles in the play area and he might be navigating slightly better than before? But that could be my bias.
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Post by savvy on May 23, 2021 0:56:47 GMT
Try waving something in his line of vision in that eye, if that makes sense, such as a piece of paper and see how he reacts to it.
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Post by hpdegus on May 23, 2021 1:05:26 GMT
Good call Savvy!
I waved a few sunflower seeds in front of either the better eye or the previously bloody eye. I think his vision is still reduced, but he definitely still noticed and grabbed the sunflower seeds in front of his bad eye.
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Post by savvy on May 23, 2021 1:16:58 GMT
Its how you test the vision of wildlife following a rescue, its particularly good for birds of prey.
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Post by savvy on May 23, 2021 1:17:46 GMT
Good call Savvy! I waved a few sunflower seeds in front of either the better eye or the previously bloody eye. I think his vision is still reduced, but he definitely still noticed and grabbed the sunflower seeds in front of his bad eye. Yay!
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Post by moletteuk on May 23, 2021 15:05:44 GMT
Is there anything without a smell that you could test him with, like toilet or kitchen paper? Do you have any photos or recollection if the cataract seemed reduced after the first lot of blood drained? It would be interesting if you could narrow down if it's the flushing of the blood or the eye drops that has made the difference. I would say that cataracts do seem to be a bit weird for showing up and then not showing up in different light or various situations. I don't know if just a film accross the eye from, say, extra fluid on the surface of the eye could make a difference. Not sure of the effect of pressure. I do recall we had a member that treated cataracts in her chinchilla with some kind of eyedrop.....here you go, I found the thread deguworld.proboards.com/thread/19136/chinchilla-cataract-topical-acetyl-carnosine
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Post by hpdegus on May 23, 2021 15:44:39 GMT
Good idea, I'll make sure I bring some paper towels in the play area with me (May need to fight Newt off though)!
So I definitely still saw the cataract before eyes drops were started. That was actually the way I could most easily tell when the blood was draining. I first noticed the lack of cataract within about a week of starting the eye drops?
Thats very true! Ive checked him in a few different lighting situations and I don't see anything like the mature cataract he had before this all happened.
Thanks for the link! Interesting read for sure.
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Post by hpdegus on May 31, 2021 1:01:09 GMT
Still not seeing a mature cataract in Pickett's left eye. His vision is definitely compromised, but not total blindness.
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Post by deguconvert on May 31, 2021 6:30:57 GMT
Hmmm!! What a puzzle! Is his vision worse than it was with the visible cataract, or better?
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Post by hpdegus on May 31, 2021 13:04:49 GMT
I think a bit better.
I'll just keep watching, continue taking pictures. This is all very unexpected, its interesting that the drops might have done this.
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Post by teemu on May 31, 2021 13:26:37 GMT
That's very intresting. Have you talked to a vet about it? Treating cataracts sounds like a tremendous thing!
How has the blood been, by they way? Has it still been pooling in his eye?
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