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Post by animalmadchloe on Feb 1, 2017 17:32:50 GMT
I know. If it's dry tomorrow, I'll bike it - I get told the leathers make me extra scarey! The girls in the shop say that they were pro brexit, because it means the UK can strengthen its animal cruelty laws. Go give them stick!! I'd have come with you if u wasnt working 8am-9pm tomorrow be interesting to see how many there is in theory there should be only one.i hope they have had ot treatedxx
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Post by deguconvert on Feb 1, 2017 18:12:49 GMT
Grrrrrrr! GRRRRRRRRR!! Wear your chains, Bouncy!
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Post by animalmadchloe on Feb 1, 2017 18:27:18 GMT
I can't believe that people can just get away with being that cruel to animals xxx
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Post by goolover on Feb 1, 2017 18:32:23 GMT
God i'm scared for them Bouncy!! As for you being cynical....I doubt it very much, I'm sure that's exactly whats going on. Imagine if we all lived in the same place, it would be 'Here comes the goo possie' as we all walked through the door and up to the desk rofl.
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Post by goolover on Feb 1, 2017 18:33:22 GMT
Bouncy leading us in her leathers of course
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Post by bouncy on Feb 1, 2017 20:24:46 GMT
OK, now I'm scared!!
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Post by moletteuk on Feb 1, 2017 20:34:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 20:54:29 GMT
Lmao! 😂
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Post by bouncy on Feb 2, 2017 17:32:40 GMT
OK, scary biker bouncy aside........ I went down to the garden centre this afternoon and had a look. I picked up quite a bit of information using my auditor skills (I.e. Casual chat with various staff members for consistency, not management). The nursery does sell pet supplies, but that's it. There are no animals sold or bred there for sale. The animals they do have are all rescues. The majority are birds, including Ernie the very chatty green parrot, Charlie the Cockatoo, and a beautiful Macaw. They adopted the degus many years ago, and the plant staff remember them being fully grown when they arrived. They don't know how old they are, but staff said they were probably OAPs. One DID die last week (the one that animalmadchloe saw), but it was PTS. Apparently, the girls who look after them (plant staff have nothing to do with them) were "crying their eyes out. There is a solitary goo left. He looked a bit miserable and was all fluffed up. I spent a good half hour with him, as well as Ernie the Parrot, who came to have a talk (next to his cage). What I did see is that his right eye appears to have conjunctivitis. It's not stuck shut, but is very wet, and a bit sticky. Most of the fur around that eye is missing, but I can't tell if it's due to eye irritation, over grooming, or previous fighting. The skin underneath is healthy looking. He was running in his wheel, but only a couple of seconds at a time. When Ernie and Charlie weren't talking to me, I could hear a wheeze in his breathing, but there was no nasal discharge. I also managed to get a good look at his incisors. They were a healthy orange (dentists everywhere cringe at that statement), but I did see that they were growing in different directions top and bottom. I did call the RSPCA to update Chloe's report. I told them it looks like they did mean well taking them in, and they had a good sized cage (yes, it could do with another full level, but.....), and that I appreciate they might be coming to the end of lifespan. I also said I did believe there was an element of neglect, as the signs on Chloe's goo would have been a long time developing and could have at least been better managed, and it didn't look like it. I told them the lone goo could do with company, that he looked quite miserable, and that he should be having meds at least twice a day based on the symptoms I saw. It looked like the centre is aware of his incisors, as the pellets in his bowl had been broken up, but I was wondering whether he had a quality of life, especially being next to birds making loud squawking, the symptoms, and because the staff told me they weren't going to be getting any friends for him (once he's gone, that's it). Like Chloe, I saw no hay, despite their information saying they should have constant access to it.
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Post by animalmadchloe on Feb 2, 2017 18:47:46 GMT
OK, scary biker bouncy aside........ I went down to the garden centre this afternoon and had a look. I picked up quite a bit of information using my auditor skills (I.e. Casual chat with various staff members for consistency, not management). The nursery does sell pet supplies, but that's it. There are no animals sold or bred there for sale. The animals they do have are all rescues. The majority are birds, including Ernie the very chatty green parrot, Charlie the Cockatoo, and a beautiful Macaw. They adopted the degus many years ago, and the plant staff remember them being fully grown when they arrived. They don't know how old they are, but staff said they were probably OAPs. One DID die last week (the one that animalmadchloe saw), but it was PTS. Apparently, the girls who look after them (plant staff have nothing to do with them) were "crying their eyes out. There is a solitary goo left. He looked a bit miserable and was all fluffed up. I spent a good half hour with him, as well as Ernie the Parrot, who came to have a talk (next to his cage). What I did see is that his right eye appears to have conjunctivitis. It's not stuck shut, but is very wet, and a bit sticky. Most of the fur around that eye is missing, but I can't tell if it's due to eye irritation, over grooming, or previous fighting. The skin underneath is healthy looking. He was running in his wheel, but only a couple of seconds at a time. When Ernie and Charlie weren't talking to me, I could hear a wheeze in his breathing, but there was no nasal discharge. I also managed to get a good look at his incisors. They were a healthy orange (dentists everywhere cringe at that statement), but I did see that they were growing in different directions top and bottom. I did call the RSPCA to update Chloe's report. I told them it looks like they did mean well taking them in, and they had a good sized cage (yes, it could do with another full level, but.....), and that I appreciate they might be coming to the end of lifespan. I also said I did believe there was an element of neglect, as the signs on Chloe's goo would have been a long time developing and could have at least been better managed, and it didn't look like it. I told them the lone goo could do with company, that he looked quite miserable, and that he should be having meds at least twice a day based on the symptoms I saw. It looked like the centre is aware of his incisors, as the pellets in his bowl had been broken up, but I was wondering whether he had a quality of life, especially being next to birds making loud squawking, the symptoms, and because the staff told me they weren't going to be getting any friends for him (once he's gone, that's it). Like Chloe, I saw no hay, despite their information saying they should have constant access to it. I've just had a quick scan through this. I'll read better later I'm still at work what did the rspca say are they going to get the loan degu any medical treatment?? Xx
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Post by bouncy on Feb 2, 2017 19:49:49 GMT
Yes, they are xx
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Post by animalmadchloe on Feb 2, 2017 20:18:16 GMT
Good I'm glad you went it I wish I was brave enough to cause more of a fuss. Do you know if the rspca are going to do anymore of have they just added your Info to the case I opened?
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Post by degulover21 on Feb 2, 2017 21:47:58 GMT
Can nothing be done about the alone degu, he needs a friend he will be depressed after losing his buddy
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Post by degulover21 on Feb 2, 2017 22:16:46 GMT
It's like losing your friend after years of talking,hugging and hanging out with them the ups and down, I bet my girls would love a male around the house and he would love the attention from my girls
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Post by bouncy on Feb 3, 2017 0:38:51 GMT
The RSPCA is going to give me an update.
I did point out how miserable he is, and that he shouldn't be alone and the importance of company. The RSPCA, however, can't force someone to take on more animals. We also don't know how old he is. The centre isn't the best place for introductions, either, and it might be nice for him to go somewhere to "retire" with other goos in very close proximity.
Let's see what they say when they get back to me.
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Post by animalmadchloe on Feb 3, 2017 8:16:42 GMT
The RSPCA is going to give me an update. I did point out how miserable he is, and that he shouldn't be alone and the importance of company. The RSPCA, however, can't force someone to take on more animals. We also don't know how old he is. The centre isn't the best place for introductions, either, and it might be nice for him to go somewhere to "retire" with other goos in very close proximity. Let's see what they say when they get back to me. I did contact a degu rescue but they were about 7 hours away
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Post by charliekhris on Feb 4, 2017 17:05:10 GMT
Those pictures, oh my gosh how awful :,( i hope the rspca gets them to givehimup to a proper rescue or someone willing to give him the proper treatment...
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Post by animalmadchloe on Feb 9, 2017 18:47:50 GMT
I had a reply from the council today about the report I filed about the sick degus Dear Ms Edgar Thank you for contacting East Hampshire District Council. Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding, this is due to staffing issues. The Animal Welfare Service visited Keydell Nurseries at approximately 2.45pm on Thursday 9th February 2017. There was only one Degu on site, the other Degu, possibly the one that you saw eating the apple had died. The staff member responsible for the animals on site explained that the fact that somebody had put the apple in to the cage may have contributed to the death of the Degu. This member of staff was aware of the risk to Degu from free-sugars and advised that the food that was currently fed to the Degu was in fact specialist Degu food. Attached please find a photograph of a warning sign that was on the cage that advised customers to not feed the Degu. The remaining Degu which was approximately 6-7 years old was the one that had the sore beneath its eye, it did not have any discharge around its mouth or nose, which as you correctly state is a sign of dental issues. The member of staff advised that it was under observation for the sore . This Degu was very active, running around the cage and along the tunnels as well as spending a lot of time on the wheel. There was fresh food and water available and the bedding appeared to be fresh. The Degu had been donated to Keydell Nurseries by a former owner. The Animal Welfare Service will keep checking on the surviving Degu to ensure that it is cared for appropriately. The member of staff did seem to be knowledgeable about Degu keeping. Thank you for contacting the Animal Welfare Service. Yours Sincerely Neil Thompson-Burton - Senior Animal Welfare Officer Environmental Health The sign what's weyy over the top lol!! And the bloody staff gave that Apple to the degus!!! Nobody would have snuck in and given them chopped up apple exactly the same as the birds had!! And yet another story they told bouncy it was pts. The told the rspca it died. Amd told the council the apple must have killed it. Jesuz!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 18:52:30 GMT
Go mad and correct them. I would. Say you know that the staff fed it Apple, therefore that alone is evidence they do not know how to care for him.
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