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Post by moletteuk on Feb 11, 2015 19:27:03 GMT
O M G she's an absolute legend!!! She's doing so well! And she's so clever to learn to compensate so quickly, I even saw he using her tail as a fourth leg for balance. Does she seem better in herself? How did the meet go with her friends? The amputation was higher up than I imagined, I take it it all looks like it's healing well?
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Post by floss on Feb 11, 2015 19:37:40 GMT
Yes she is a real sweetheart. She had only been in the cage a few seconds b4 I started the video. She seems a lot better in herself and vet the agrees she does too. She has been back to the vet for a check up yesterday evening and everything is ok.
They explained they were one of the few surgery's in the country that used a laser to remove limbs and the benefits of this. They explained all the stiches were hidden in the muscle and the skin was glued over the top. I now feel like she was in very good hands and will now use that vet as my main practice.
She only seems to use one hand (paw) to eat and the other front hand on the floor to balance OR she uses both hands but rests them on the floor whilst holding the food on the floor too.
The intro went ok but one of her two cage mate goos got a bit too aggressive so the aggressive one is separated in a smaller cage and I plan re-introducing them in about an hour. Just b4 they tend to settle down seems to normally work.
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Post by ntg on Feb 11, 2015 20:17:22 GMT
Oh she's doing so well, it's heartwarming to see! Good on her I think you should go into the old vets with a specsavers leaflet if they managed to miss that, it's so obvious!
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Post by animalmadchloe on Feb 11, 2015 20:17:36 GMT
First set of x-rays by the first vet (non digital) they are clearer than this in front of a proper screen (they are just in front of my computer here)Brownie points if you can spot the main fracture the vet didn't! I found it top photo on the ankle there is a triangular piece of bone? On The"shin bone" so to speak
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Post by floss on Feb 11, 2015 20:19:30 GMT
New x-rays (digital) This one made me say "ouch!" Vet suspected a fracture on one of the very small bones here and said it was also dislocated.
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Post by floss on Feb 11, 2015 20:25:28 GMT
yes animalmadchloe that's right. I showed them to the new vet and he said he could also see it on that xray. Granted the quality is not as good and the angle is not as good xx
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Post by animalmadchloe on Feb 11, 2015 20:44:05 GMT
I'm not even medically trained and saw that straight away! Any news on getting your money back x
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Post by ilikedegus on Feb 11, 2015 21:40:36 GMT
:-)
She doesn't look to be having ANY problems getting around, it's like she's always had 3 legs. I'm glad you videoed it for us to see.
I was imagining it would be more difficult, the back end of a degu being so much fatter than the front end.
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Post by floss on Feb 12, 2015 18:08:26 GMT
I'm not even medically trained and saw that straight away! Any news on getting your money back x We've not wrote the letter yet, too busy looking after animals and working but I will have it done by the weekend
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Post by floss on Feb 12, 2015 18:09:30 GMT
:-) She doesn't look to be having ANY problems getting around, it's like she's always had 3 legs. I'm glad you videoed it for us to see. I was imagining it would be more difficult, the back end of a degu being so much fatter than the front end. Yes she seems very able, I think it might help she is a very "petite" goo so has less to carry around.
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Post by deguconvert on Feb 12, 2015 18:21:44 GMT
She is amazing!! You can tell that she is feeling so much better now. I bet the relief of getting that leg removed is immense. I am so happy for her and you both. She is just lovely!!
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Post by brydyslass on Feb 12, 2015 18:46:09 GMT
Wow, that's a heck of a bill!! I think other people have looked into insurance before and it just wasn't economical, the conclusion was that you are better off putting some money away yourself each month. Hopefully this is a one off and you won't ever have such a big bill again. Re the old vet, I would phone and ask to speak to the practice manager, explain your complaint, emphasising that they left Mouse in pain with no real treatment and no painkillers for ages, threaten to report them to the British Veterinary Association if necessary. You can say that you could see the fracture yourself on the xray and that your second opionion vet amputated straight away on seeing the fracture, dislocation and severe infection, so you are basing your complaint on the information from the second vet. My initial thoughts on adapting the cage are to make the ramps shallow and maybe not so many ledges because I wouldn't think she will be able to jump very well. We can help with more specific ideas or solutions once you know what she can manage. You'll also need to keep an eye on how she manages eating, whether she manages to ballance with the stump to keep both hands free for eating. What a time you have been having. Sorry Mouse has had to go through the wars. One of my wee guys is arthritic, and just as Moletteuk has suggested we adapted his cage. I had panicked and put him in a single level cage which did not please him. His original cage is a Hopewell wire cage so we used lots of wee ledges from P@H to make long "staircase" for him to wander about his cage. He really came on once he was back in his adapted cage. It is worth it. Good Luck
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Post by ilikedegus on Feb 20, 2015 20:37:53 GMT
Floss how's the tripod?
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Post by floss on Feb 27, 2015 22:12:40 GMT
The tripod in herself is doing very well bless her, but I really need some guidance with her and her siblings.
They are squabbling so much that all 3 of them are in separate cages!!! It sounds, and is ridiculous!! I think that I may have made it worse by my lack of experience. It is also their first season and mouses leg being removed may have altered the hierarchy?
The reason I have separated them is there is blood shed everytime I try re-introduce them now. I am also super anxious mouse will get another leg hurt in some way.
Initially when I introduced them one was getting a little aggressive with mouse so I removed her for a few hours (first mistake?) anyway when all reunited Ethel and Isabelle (her cage mates) just couldn't get on and Mouse was getting caught in the cross fire. They both seem to have a problem with her now too and vice versa now.
Mouse if defiantly bottom of group now and gets really tired when persistently chased, she will drop her back leg down and pant and she is tired. She is also much smaller than the other two in size and weight.
I have tried introducing them all in neutral territory (bath) with lots if treats morning and night for a week this went ok at first but now I even get squabbling in the bath. I have also tried giving the cage a very through clean out and adding more single ledges as well as two big ledges. But they resulted in full on fighting after a few minutes.
They can currently all see each other and I keep swapping bits of their bedding over.
I know I'm probably have to move this over to the fighting threads.
I'm willing to put the time and effort in for the 3 sisters to be in peace again I just need pointing in the right direction.
Many thanks
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Post by moletteuk on Feb 28, 2015 18:41:49 GMT
Good to hear Mouse is still doing well leg-wise.
HOpefully somebody else will be along to give you more fighting advice, but for now I would suggest keeping on swapping bedding and mixing sand and so on, keep them visible and sniffable to each other, and keep any meets short and try to end the session before there is much aggro for now.
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Post by deguconvert on Feb 28, 2015 21:36:14 GMT
You'll need to be a little more careful with your intros due to the extra care that Mouse needs as a result of her amputated leg. This, you already know, and you also know it complicates whatever you do to reintroduce them all. I'm not sure if the first move should be to introduce one of the two others to Mouse, or try to get the two other back together first. But as I am thinking of it, I think that you need to get Mouse on good footing with one of the others first. I think I would choose the most calm one . . . but I think that you may well have a better idea of which one you would rather start with. You should probably focus on them only for the first week and see how things go. You don't want to have so much going on that they are overwhelmed and become extremely reactive.
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Post by floss on Mar 2, 2015 21:05:24 GMT
Thank you. Mouse was on much better grounds with one of them "isobelle" as just those two were together until I found Mouse with a wound on her chin and panting. However I am trying to re-introduce those two as Ethel appears more "aggressive".
How many times a day do you think is suitable, is twice enough? I work full time so manage to fit one in b4 work and one session after.
I've heard nothing about getting my original vets bill back apart from an acknowledgement letter and he has requested permission to see the "new x-rays" from the second vets, which I have no problems with (although I did print him one x-ray off and took it back with his originals as requested) feel like he's dragging his feet with giving any sort of response to think of a good excuse. Still keep my fingers crossed tho.
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Post by deguconvert on Mar 3, 2015 17:25:05 GMT
He sounds like someone to avoid, at least with any pets in hand, and once he returns your money. I think twice a day is good, although if you see signs of stress with Mouse, maybe cut it back to once a day and see if she does any better.
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