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Post by claire on Feb 14, 2018 6:45:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 11:23:52 GMT
I’m really set on doing them 2.4m long if possible now. I can’t figure out what height would be best though? If I just put in one full level, so they’d have the base and then that level, so x2 of 2.4m running length with 60cm depth. What height would you all choose? Baring in line there will be 4 stacked on top of each other!
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Post by moletteuk on Feb 15, 2018 11:36:24 GMT
I think the levels and headroom don't work out so well if you do them all 240x60x60cm high. 60cm height doesn't quite give you two full levels, more like one and a half which is still plenty of room, but maybe more awkward. Whereas if you do the units in quadrants of 120x60x120cm you get a generous 3 levels with plenty of headroom and with room for perches and so on too. The other drawback is one habitat being entirely at ground level, which sometimes isn't popular and is harder to light. And you need a big van to move something 2.4m long. And the construction is more difficult for the long thin cages because everything has to be supported from the back, rather than the sides, you would need some kind of central support to stack them 4 high. Obviously, the 240cm length is great and not to be sniffed at, but I think the drawbacks need some consideration.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 11:50:41 GMT
I think the levels and headroom don't work out so well if you do them all 240x60x60cm high. 60cm height doesn't quite give you two full levels, more like one and a half which is still plenty of room, but maybe more awkward. Whereas if you do the units in quadrants of 120x60x120cm you get a generous 3 levels with plenty of headroom and with room for perches and so on too. The other drawback is one habitat being entirely at ground level, which sometimes isn't popular and is harder to light. And you need a big van to move something 2.4m long. And the construction is more difficult for the long thin cages because everything has to be supported from the back, rather than the sides, you would need some kind of central support to stack them 4 high. Obviously, the 240cm length is great and not to be sniffed at, but I think the drawbacks need some consideration. So I was thinking maybe doing them 80 high at 2.4m long? One level 30cm high and one 40? Or roughly that. I have a lot of height to play with in that room as we have very high ceilings. Pinky and Perky I think would be fine with the floor cage as they spend 99% of their time at floor level anyway because their wheel is in the extension and they live for their wheel. But I do know what you mean. We were gonna do a middle support at 1.2m in, could perhaps even make it so they came apart in the middle for moving purposes? It wouldn’t be any harder to build surely because they need to be supported in the middle anyway? The middle support would mean the glass doors would be the same size whether we did long 2.4m or kept them at 1.2m quads. I just love the idea of all that loooong running room and how it looks in my head 😍 80cm high would make the lot come to 3.2 metres in height plus material thickness. I’ll go and measure the wall lol 🤭 But I’d rather to what makes sense, however not necessarily what’s easier? 🤔 Thoughts and opinions are really welcomed!! How am I gonna light 4 cages? 🤭 what lights does everyone use? I also wanna incorporate 3 UVB lamps, one per cage.. I don’t know whether Alfie should have one? ?
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Post by claire on Feb 15, 2018 21:47:10 GMT
Need to consider if you ever have to move it. I had to rip a door frame off to move mine when I moved next door but then again I have odd shaped flats lol. Also the weight using full sheets if melomide makes it really heavy. Not trying to put you off just learning from my own mistakes lol.
For lighting this is something we are looking into as Well. My partner has an idea of what he wants to do so I'll share anything he comes up with. Looking at putting uvb strip lights at the top front of the cage with the wires coming out the side so they can't be chewed... not ironed out the fine details yet but there us a growing improvements list for mine including more vents .. I feel a project coming on.
The fact that mine is on the floor doesn't bother my boys either. They are odd though. They will only use chew toys on the bottom? Weirdos lol
Oh my partner just said if your using glass 1.2m long you might have to go up to 6mm.
I may have read it wrong though 2.4m long 2 pieces of glass at 1.2 m or just over?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 21:53:04 GMT
Need to c9nsider 8f you ever have to move it. I had to rip a door frame off to move mine when I moved nex5 door but then again I have odd shaped flats lol. Also the weight using full sheets if melomide makes it really heavy. Not trying to put you off just learning from my own mistakes lol. For lighting this is something we are looking into as Well. My partner has an idea of what he wants to do so I'll share anything he comes up with. Looking at putting uvb strip lights at the top front of the cage with the wires coming out the side so they can't be chewed... not ironed out the fine details yet but there us a growing improvements list for mine including more vents .. I feel a project coming on. The fact that mine is on the floor doesn't bother my boys either. They are odd though. They will only use chew toys on the bottom? Weirdos lol We are thinking of making it so it comes apart in two halves so 120cm halves. I think I definitely wanna go the 2.4m route! Might as well right? If it didn’t work I could stack them anyway and make them 1.2m high, as I was planning on making them.. 2.4m long, 60cm deep and 60 high. the level would be split 25 and 35, with a cut out at the end for their wheels. My ceiling is 263cm away from the floor. If I hated the 2.4m long thing, the support is gonna need to be in the middle anyway at 1.2m for glass purposes and support purposes, so if we made it so they come apart it would mean I could rearrange them into 1.2x60x1.2 if I wanted and makes it easier to move them! 😁 would just have to patch the entrance holes with mesh, making an ugly vent lol.
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Post by claire on Feb 15, 2018 21:55:26 GMT
I edited my post.. added some glass info
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 21:59:23 GMT
claire we are gonna do 4 pieces of glass per level, so 8 pieces per cage. Basically 2 pieces per 1.2m, with the divide in the middle.
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Post by claire on Feb 15, 2018 22:09:50 GMT
Ahh same as mine so 4mm be fine
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Post by ntg on Feb 15, 2018 22:37:40 GMT
Winic was right that you'll need to use some of the front as mesh ventilation or do mesh at the back or you aren't going to get enough from the side panels.
Another thing to think about is, if you move, will there be a 2.4m space that you can put the cages in? At the end of the day, we dont just make homemade cages because they offer more space and flexibility, but because they look nicer. If you then have to cobble stuff together and they become unsightly then you're losing one of their big advantages.
Just my two cents anyway!
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Post by Bexi87 on Feb 15, 2018 22:44:52 GMT
If you are going to have it stood on carpet put some tiles underneath. I can’t move mine as it’s sunk in to the carpet 😩
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 23:09:58 GMT
If you are going to have it stood on carpet put some tiles underneath. I can’t move mine as it’s sunk in to the carpet 😩 Looool oh no! Cals gonna build a lil platform thing to sit the whole lot on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 23:12:27 GMT
Winic was right that you'll need to use some of the front as mesh ventilation or do mesh at the back or you aren't going to get enough from the side panels. Another thing to think about is, if you move, will there be a 2.4m space that you can put the cages in? At the end of the day, we dont just make homemade cages because they offer more space and flexibility, but because they look nicer. If you then have to cobble stuff together and they become unsightly then you're losing one of their big advantages. Just my two cents anyway! If we make it so they split at the 1.2m mark, if we move and we don’t have a nice space for 2.4m they can be stacked on top of each other and made back up like the 1.2x1.2x60cm configuration and turn the holes on the sides into vents! 😁 Do you reckon that’ll work? Thanks for the heads up re vents again, Cals gonna draw designs tomorrow so I’ll stress adding in enough vents.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 17:19:22 GMT
So we’ve worked it out to cost between £100-£130 per cage doing it the 2.4m way, but making them by doing 2 separate 1.2m cages to join together to make 2.4m for ease of moving and whatever other reasons (needing hospital separation or whatever).
Gonna make one at a time so I can move someone in and then sell a cage.
How much do you think I should sell the aventuras for? I was hoping around £80-£90 as they’re pretty good in condition and all less than a year old!
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Post by Bexi87 on Feb 16, 2018 20:02:39 GMT
How big are they to store Em?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 20:17:19 GMT
How big are they to store Em? The aventuras?
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Post by Bexi87 on Feb 16, 2018 20:24:52 GMT
How big are they to store Em? The aventuras? Yeah
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 20:28:59 GMT
Big and we have no storage. How come? If you’re thinking like hospital cage etc I still have the three lazybones from bouncy for that purpose and they don’t take up much room at all x
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 20:29:50 GMT
They like take up the length and width of what they are, plus probably a quarter of a metre in thickness. And I have three lol (the aventuras).
Pinky and Perkys doesn’t come apart.
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Post by Bexi87 on Feb 16, 2018 20:31:06 GMT
I’m constantly having an internal debate about my cage v a metal cage 😂
I’ve only got a thickets as a spare which isn’t great and I’m having building work done on the house in a few months which means the girls will be in a temporary cage for at least 2 weeks.
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