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Post by misscatafer on Jan 11, 2018 19:10:28 GMT
Haven't felt the bottom teeth to see if they are wobbly Bouncy, but vet seems to think they will be.
Its manor vets in bham. They do have their own ct scanner at another branch (which is much closer to me), so don't expect they need a referral.
I'm feeling very very guilty not being able to afford this. I agree though, I don't understand why they need both.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 19:34:03 GMT
Maybe see if my vets can do a scan misscatafer? Relatively close and extremely fab with degus!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 19:34:48 GMT
And for kev to have two teeth out only cost me like £60 or £90. For all consultations, two lots of anaesthetic on two different days.. everything
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Post by misscatafer on Jan 11, 2018 22:53:09 GMT
Wow that sounds much more reasonable! Yes please!!
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Post by moletteuk on Jan 12, 2018 11:18:32 GMT
I've had another look on the german forum, here are some threads if anyone wants to take a look, you can get the gist with google translate: www.degus-online.de/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44481&hilit=schneidezahn&sid=741ea865ba79dacc9cee18d443ef2d01www.degus-online.de/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44058&hilit=schneidezahn&sid=741ea865ba79dacc9cee18d443ef2d01www.degus-online.de/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=42554&hilit=schneidezahn&sid=741ea865ba79dacc9cee18d443ef2d01Braces: www.degus-online.de/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15888&hilit=zahnspangeGerman for incisor is Schneidezahn if anyone wants to do their own search. In my opinion and the prevalent opinion on the german forum is that the cause is irrelevant to the treatment, except for the fact that the molars need to be checked in case they are implicated in the cause and also need treatment. Treatment is regular trimming of the incisors or possibly fitting wire braces. If money is a factor then I think it is pointless to pay hundreds for scans if these then make it impossible to afford the regular treatment, fortnightly or monthly trimmings are going to be a financial burden as it is. I don't believe there is a specific issue with one tooth, if you look at the german cases, this is just a slightly wonky version of the V shape malformation, so you possibly have more of an issue with one tooth, but the problem involves all 4 incisors. I read a couple of reports on the german forum of this issue spontaneously resolving, in my opinion, I think this reinforces the suggestion to look at diet & vit D. I think if it was me, I would get Boo sedated, have all the teeth properly examined, and get xrays (but xrays at my vets would be no more than £100), I think any teeth issues should show up reasonably well on xray (but again my vets take as many xrays as they need to get a decent shot and only charge for 2). And get them trimmed. You might want to discuss the feasibility of trimming without sedation for future trims, this may or may not be possible, you could also ask about the braces thing.
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Post by misscatafer on Jan 12, 2018 14:43:58 GMT
Thankyou, this is so helpful. I am definitely going to get her sorted out. Our house buy is going through so quickly....there are so many hidden fees, at least as a first time buyer the stamp duty is off! Think we will be in by mid Feb, so once finances have restored we will take her in... Unless of course she becomes uncomfortable or unwell before this.
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Post by misscatafer on Jan 15, 2018 14:36:16 GMT
Wow, there is such a difference in pricing between vets isn't there! I called the lovely Emily's vet for a quote on a dental, it would be £100, called my vets, £190! So then I thought, I wonder if my local pets at home would do this stuff (as Emily's vets was based in a p@h). Called them and I have a free consultation booked for my Boo tomorrow I'm hoping they will price match. My plan is, as I have a lot of chaos going on right now, to get any spurs removed and teeth trimmed now, then get it all fully investigated once moving is out of the way. The other funny thing is I asked Manor vets if they do any rodent price plans like they do with dogs and cats to save these extortionate bills. They said they did, but because Boo now has suspected health problems she would not be eligible! Absolute joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:24:39 GMT
misscatafer the practises vary so if you see anything you’re unhappy with like the way they handle Boo etc then don’t go there. Every vets in p@h’s are different - not trying to sound like I’m stating the obvious rudely lol, but obviously different vets, staff, practises and so on. I would personally vouch for my vets so if in any doubt definitely go there over your local one! Manor vets is pricey because it’s an exotics vets. They offered to see my sick axolotl for a £200 consultation fee LOL, forced my normal vet to see him instead for £25 and got the meds and problem solved! Hope all goes well 💗
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Post by bouncy on Jan 15, 2018 15:30:02 GMT
Yeah, virtually all medical plans, whether humans or animals, exclude all pre-existing conditions. How else can they make a profit for their investors!
I'm shocked at the variation in pricing, and wonder whether there should be some sort of price capping for specific types of treatment. S'pose I could set up something to be discussed in Parliament? Would need 10,000 signatures to get it heard, tho.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:34:22 GMT
Also be weary about quotes. I’ve never had an issue with my vets though. I always take it as a quote will be the price. But my mom and dad got referred to an eye specialist for dogs like a two hour drive away. Was told the operation would be £1100 it was £2800!!!!!!! Wasn’t told there would be any hideous consultation fee, it was £400 FOR A 10 MINUTE consultation!!
Buster is only insured for a yearly £2k so that was a nasty surprise! 😨 parents complained and know what they did? Knocked £15 off. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:35:01 GMT
Yeah, virtually all medical plans, whether humans or animals, exclude all pre-existing conditions. How else can they make a profit for their investors! I'm shocked at the variation in pricing, and wonder whether there should be some sort of price capping for specific types of treatment. S'pose I could set up something to be discussed in Parliament? Would need 10,000 signatures to get it heard, tho. I definitely think there should be. Like how the dentist works maybe? Brackets with different treatments in and a price?
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Post by misscatafer on Jan 15, 2018 15:57:12 GMT
I would sign it! But like you say... 10000 signatures would be hard to obtain.
What a joke with your parents dog Emily.
Yes I am going to go in with an open mind, if I'm not happy I'll come to Kidderminster, just trying to think of what is best for Boo - the less travel time the better if it is doable.
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Post by bouncy on Jan 15, 2018 16:13:22 GMT
I think it would be difficult to do banding similar to the dentist, because there are so many variables. All vets (per RCVS guidelines) are supposed to have transparent pricing to enable comparison to others, but it's not always possible, especially if there's an injury.
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Post by moletteuk on Jan 15, 2018 17:17:50 GMT
I didn't know that about transparent pricing for vets, you would think that would mean they should at least have the standard consultation fees on display. Actually, the pricing at the one surgery I go to has varied wildly over the years I've had 2 xrays for £40 and then 1 xray for £90, basic consultation fee varies between £13, £20, and £28 depending on whether they bill it as full initial consult or minor follow up, I think it depends which vet I see and what other costs I'm incurring and how much I've spent on the one health issue.
Do be careful with the Pet's at Home vets, MissC, the one Emily sees is the only decent one we have ever heard about on the forum amongst a fair few very poor experiences. Absoulutely no harm in a consultation though, just have your wits about you to pick up on any little signs of how competent they are, how they handle Boo, ask if they see many degus etc.
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Post by deguconvert on Jan 15, 2018 19:51:28 GMT
I would certainly be wary of any that don't have a lot of experience and success with the removal of spurs. The more we see of these dental issues, the more we seem to be seeing of jaw problems following the treatment.
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Post by misscatafer on Jan 15, 2018 20:27:46 GMT
Yes I will, if I am not happy I will book in with Kidderminster. I weighed my clan tonight and Boo is now a healthy 249g, back up to her heaviest
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Post by bouncy on Jan 15, 2018 20:42:06 GMT
I didn't know that about transparent pricing for vets, you would think that would mean they should at least have the standard consultation fees on display. Actually, the pricing at the one surgery I go to has varied wildly over the years I've had 2 xrays for £40 and then 1 xray for £90, basic consultation fee varies between £13, £20, and £28 depending on whether they bill it as full initial consult or minor follow up, I think it depends which vet I see and what other costs I'm incurring and how much I've spent on the one health issue. Do be careful with the Pet's at Home vets, MissC, the one Emily sees is the only decent one we have ever heard about on the forum amongst a fair few very poor experiences. Absoulutely no harm in a consultation though, just have your wits about you to pick up on any little signs of how competent they are, how they handle Boo, ask if they see many degus etc. Vets should have their consultation fees displayed, or provided upon asking. Most have one fee for an initial consult, and a lower one for a follow-up (per condition or treatment). Any quote should clearly state what is or isn't included, itemised. For that reason alone, it's always best to get the estimate in writing. It should also state that it is just that, a quote. Unless in cases of animal welfare, variations in treatment and cost should be discussed with the owner before being incurred. The actual invoice must be broken down and itemised as detailed as possible, so the owner can understand where cost has been incurred. Whilst a vet can provide meds take home, you are also entitled (for a fee) to take a prescription to purchase the meds elsewhere. Having looked through lots of vet websites, very few contain ANY information about fees, other than saying the information is available in the surgery or upon request. Some will state their consultation fees on their website, but I've only come across a handful that give example prices for common treatments. Funnily enough, my vet displays fixed costs (and whether general anaesthetic is included) for common treatments on their website. For example, I know the cost of Scaredy's spur trims, including anaesthesia, will always cost £131.35.
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Post by misscatafer on Jan 16, 2018 13:47:04 GMT
Well I went to the consultation this morning, very disappointed! The vet literally spent 2 minutes with us so glad it was free lol. He didn't handle Boo or really look at her. Claimed he could see swelling immediately after I said she needed dental work.. When she was still in the travel case. I picked her up and held her so he could see her teeth but he didn't look and said he would check that when she was sedated... Which is a fair point but I felt he showed no interest whatsoever. He told me he does regular dental work on degus and has two which come in every few weeks for trims. I just didn't feel comfortable leaving Boo with him.. So I have booked into Kidderminster for Friday instead.
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Post by bouncy on Jan 16, 2018 14:06:12 GMT
How can you make a diagnosis without even looking?!
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Post by misscatafer on Jan 16, 2018 14:21:49 GMT
I know...surprisingly I didn't have much faith. Boo was not impressed either, she sat on my shoulder hiding in my hair the whole time.
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