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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 11:10:32 GMT
Good luck! Please keep us updated.
I think what you've said is a good idea, she also can't exert much energy in a travel case, and you can see what she's eating, just make sure she can access water.
If not a travel case then can you section off one of the full levels in your cage so she has a level to herself?
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Post by adsh on Mar 27, 2017 12:08:18 GMT
All done at the vets, it would appear that shes had a nasty fall perhaps panicking with a stuck tail or the sort.
The vet had a good feel around and there is a lot of swelling on the right hand side of her face but nothing to worry about. shes had some pain killers (no idea what I didnt think to ask!) I just have to keep an eye on her make sure she eats and drinks etc.
I feel like there may be more going on but I guess I have to go with what the vet says.
Hopefully in a couple of days she will be back to herself!
I cannot separate the cage as they have chewed all the shelves to make access holes lol, I am in the process of making a new enclosure for them which should be massive!
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Post by moletteuk on Mar 27, 2017 12:43:39 GMT
Did the vet look inside her mouth, maybe with a scope? I'm concerned that she could have a dental issue or if she has had a fall the inside of her mouth could be cut up.
I think the important thing right now is to get her eating. Did the vet give you Critical Care or Supreme Recovery? If they didn't, I would go back and get some if you can, these are by far the best and easiest things to syringe feed her. The vet should give you a couple of syringes too, if you are still waiting for the ones you ordered. If you can wrap her up in a towel or piece of fabric she will be easier to restrain. She looks quite poorly to me in the photo, so I would start the syring feeding ASAP.
If her cagemates are looking after her, leave her in with them if you can, although it is useful to know if she is eating by herself at all, so you could put her in a travel cage next to the cage for half an hour to test her with some food.
Start weighing her if you can on kitchen scales, maybe the vet weighed her today?
You can use a wheatbag as a heatpad if you have one of those.
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Post by adsh on Mar 27, 2017 13:06:42 GMT
Did look in the mouth and all was ok though she was obviously in a fair amount of pain/distress, I was given nothing (kind of feel like I was rushed through)they did say that the worst of it would be behind her... I think I will book her in for another appointment at a different vet later in the week that would give me enough time to see if she is getting better. the others will occasionally let her join the pile which is great to see but shes keeping to herself. I will get a couple of syringes tonight on the way home to feed her, I am not 100% happy with the vet I always pick her up in a towel that way I don't get bitten and its soft enough for her. Also, I will try and get a video of her making the odd noise - I could not find the like on Degutopia. Is this the food you suggested? If so, I will click and collect that too www.petsathome.com/shop/en/pets/critical-care-formula-150g-rescue-food-(online-only)thanks for the help - worried about her today
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Post by savvy on Mar 27, 2017 15:20:31 GMT
You should be able to get a small packet of recovery food from the vet without an appointment. It may be quicker than p@h.
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Post by moletteuk on Mar 27, 2017 16:31:35 GMT
No, that's a different Critical Care, it's Oxbow Critical Care you need: www.oxbowanimalhealth.com/vets/products/critical_care I think it's probably online only or direct from the vet, the vet will give you some if you ask, they ought to stock it. If you can't get any tonight, you could try some veg only baby food, or make your own mashy slurry with veg and powdery dregs of forage, or a totally smooth porridge. Sounds like you are fairly comfortable restraining her, so I'll just mention about squirting the syringe slightly to the side to reduce the chance of her inhaling any. It can take a couple of goes to find a vet you are happy with, it depends where you live but it's worth taking a look at our recommended vet list deguworld.proboards.com/thread/15521/vet-guide?page=1
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Post by moletteuk on Mar 27, 2017 16:41:32 GMT
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Poorly gu
Mar 27, 2017 18:27:08 GMT
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Post by adsh on Mar 27, 2017 18:27:08 GMT
Apologies for the delay in posting.. really good news she is moving around a lot better and quicker not normal but loads better Shes sat with me in her travel cage to see if she will eat, so far shes had a nibble of food not as much as i would like but at least shes had something I have a video hopefully with the noise shes making i will upload that when my daughter is asleep On the whole very positive genuienly thought i was going to lose her more optimistic now though
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Poorly gu
Mar 27, 2017 18:31:40 GMT
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Post by adsh on Mar 27, 2017 18:31:40 GMT
Here is the link to the noise the container is a bit bare but its full of bedding now! youtu.be/1j0xEk4C52w
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Post by moletteuk on Mar 27, 2017 20:01:59 GMT
Are you trying her with different types of food in case she can cope with some different sizes, shapes or levels of solidness better than others? Oats, seeds, dried veg, nuggets broken into smaller pieces, forage, baby food, try her with everything.
That's sounds like a problem to me, some kind of breathing difficulty, rather than a communication noise. Is she doing it all the time? Did the vet listen to her chest and say anything about the noise? Can you tell if it is coming from her head or chest? It sounds quite serious to me anyway, I would try another vet as soon as you can.
You need to watch out for her breathing through her mouth, degus aren't designed to breathe through their mouth and normally as soon as they do they swallow air and get very bloated and in trouble quickly.
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Poorly gu
Mar 27, 2017 20:14:24 GMT
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Post by adsh on Mar 27, 2017 20:14:24 GMT
Shes not doing it all the time but when shes anxious she does it
Ive tried all the food i can get my hands on this evening shes managed some oats and will shortly be back in the cage
Think it might be a day by day thing
She has a diff vet friday
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Poorly gu
Mar 27, 2017 20:15:05 GMT
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Post by adsh on Mar 27, 2017 20:15:05 GMT
Sorry it sounds more like its from her head
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Post by deguconvert on Mar 28, 2017 3:51:03 GMT
So glad they moved your appointment up. I'm anxious to hear what they find.
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Post by adsh on Mar 28, 2017 5:11:49 GMT
Some really awesome news, I got up this morning and she was down on the cage floor having some food! She also ran away from me and started grooming herself! If you had seen her the last couple of days running and certainly grooming was not something she could do.
Naturally I am a pessimist so I don't think shes in the clear, I will keep the appointment for Friday and cancel it if necessary. Relieved that she seems to be on the mend, tonight and today I am just going to leave her to it and see how she in Wednesday
Fingers & paws crossed!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 8:25:17 GMT
Yay that's good!
Eating is always a good sign but do definitely keep the vet appointment as you do need to try and find out the cause of her problems. Xx
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Post by adsh on Mar 28, 2017 8:34:51 GMT
Its good to see her eating I hope when I give them some treats this evening she will be better. I wonder if she had a virus or something of the sort.
Cannot think of another way she would lose so much weight quickly. Do they go into shock or anything after losing part of the tail?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 8:53:57 GMT
They can all lose weight pretty quickly like that if they stop eating.
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Post by moletteuk on Mar 28, 2017 9:36:51 GMT
They can go into shock, and what you initially described with her being limp sounded very much like a shock response. But, you would not normally see a shock response from a simple tail degloving. From what you describe there is more to this than one particular thing.
When they are unwell and fluffed up and hunched like in your photo the weight just falls off them, they can lose 15g or more in a day, string a few of those days together and it can be very shocking. They don't even have to be not eating for it to happen. Are you weighing her to monitor the weight?
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Post by savvy on Mar 28, 2017 9:45:47 GMT
So glad to hear that she's feeling better. Appointments are easier to cancel than to get.
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Post by adsh on Mar 28, 2017 11:19:34 GMT
I will post an update when I return home this evening, my wife has text to say that shes moving around between levels, hopefully shes getting stronger and stronger! My plan tonight is to leave her to it tonight, I don't think adding to the stress is a good idea. poor little thing
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