sioa
Warbling Degu
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Post by sioa on Oct 23, 2021 15:11:34 GMT
Thanks for your words!
Yeah.. The vet said that she will get fine π But toffee will hate me π i have to Pick her up to give her pain Killers... She wont eat it otherwise, i tried everything π
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Post by teemu on Oct 23, 2021 19:02:05 GMT
Yeah, they really don't like taking their meds, most of the time. But even if it feels really nasty to give it to an animal that does not want to take it, I can promise you that she won't hate you for that. I've had to medicate degus for long periods of time, and even if they hate having to go through that, it has never left them with any longer grudges. They're smart, the understand that it's not something you do all the time. It's hard to make the process easier, but to make the situation easier to adjust to, always give medication around the same time each day, and try to signal that you are going to do so, either by using something like gloves, or giving her the same cue, or something else like that. It will give her an advance warning, which is not great, but at the same time it will mean that she associates the medicine with specific times and specific things, not with *you*. I've done it like this with multiple degus, and it really does work. They are very clever and do recognize that the nasty thing only happens in certain circumstances, and it's not just something you randomly do. This is also something that will get easier with practice. I even had one degu who, over time, started to realize that it would be over faster if he just opened his mouth and took the medicine. Toffee might not be like that, but you will learn how to get it over with quickly and with less hassle. Of course, always be careful and never rush it, especially with a degu who's just gone through a very traumatic operation, but what I mean is that you will get better at it. And after this is over with, you'll have plenty of time to make it up to her. Do what must be done now, but always remember to think of the better times that will come afterwards
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Post by savvy on Oct 23, 2021 19:33:09 GMT
Yeah I've medicated over a long period too, and it isn't easy, but as they start to feel better they are smart enough to associate meds with that feeling, particularly pain meds. They do get used to it, even to the point of willingly accepting being medicated.
Toffee may sulk for a while afterwards, but I doubt she'll hate you for it.
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Post by moletteuk on Oct 24, 2021 11:05:41 GMT
The actual Metacam brand of metacam/meloxicom I think in honey flavour is quite often well liked by degus and they take it voluntarily. Might be worth switching if your vet can get it for you.
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sioa
Warbling Degu
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Post by sioa on Oct 25, 2021 20:48:48 GMT
Today was the appointment. The leg was amputated and toffee is doing well, she is eating and looking and running around.
But we have get orniflox as Antibiotika. In the Letter stand, that we have to dilute it with water to avoid chemical burn. but the vet said we can give it pure. I dont know if this medicine exists in the uk, but maybe u habe Heard about it
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Post by deguconvert on Oct 25, 2021 21:37:04 GMT
Well, I was truly hoping her leg could be set, but I am thankful that the amputation is done and Toffee is doing well. You must be anxious to see her? Or have you been able to take her home already?
I am unfamiliar with Orniflox. The Orniflox can give a chemical burns?
I looked it up on Google and it says it is used to treat bacterial and parasitic infections. Does she have parasites? Is it oral, or topical?
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Post by teemu on Oct 25, 2021 21:50:58 GMT
It's good to hear that she is doing well. As I said earlier, remember to clean her cage often until the wound heals, and keep a close eye on the amputation for signs of problems. Hopefully, everything goes well.
I can't really find anything on Orniflox either, other than a parasite medication pill. Is it meant for putting on the wound, or is it something she should eat? You mention burns, so that sounds like it might be some sort of a antiseptic concentrate that is to be used for wound cleaning (similar to, say, Betadine)? If that's the case, you can likely use it as the vet said, but do watch carefully for adverse effect and dilute it if it looks like it's causing the skin to get irritated or peel or anything else.
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Post by teemu on Oct 25, 2021 21:52:58 GMT
If you are unsure about the medication, would it be possible for you to get a picture of the package? That will likely shed some light on what exactly it is and how it should be used. Take out any personal details if the packaging has any, of course.
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sioa
Warbling Degu
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Post by sioa on Oct 26, 2021 8:03:33 GMT
I just called the vet, she said the we can give it pure, they are asked this question a lot. An she said that toffee must gain some weight. From the x Ray appointment to Yesterday she lost 20g. But the vet also said, i could be because of the pain that she wasnt eating probably How Do i Insert pictures here from my Handy? π
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Post by teemu on Oct 26, 2021 9:20:04 GMT
Oh, it's enrofloxacin. Yeah, that goes under a different name in most countries, it seems. The usual brand I've seen is Baytril. As the text says, it's an oral antibiotic. If the vet says you can give it as is, I would follow their advice. Did they mention how much you should give at once?
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sioa
Warbling Degu
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Post by sioa on Oct 26, 2021 9:30:01 GMT
OK Yeah, they said 0.1ml once a day
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Post by savvy on Oct 26, 2021 9:59:38 GMT
Glad to hear it went well and she's recovering.
Baytril is used quite often with degus.
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Post by teemu on Oct 26, 2021 10:03:20 GMT
Yeah, sounds about right, since it's so concentrated. Pay careful attention to the syringe, since 0.1ml is a very small amount.
Did they give any other medications or things that need to be done for the moment? Do you have any kind of an antiseptic (wound cleaning chemical) that can be applied to the wound, in case you need it? If you don't, it would be a good idea to get some in case the wound site starts to get irritated or inflamed.
How is Toffee feeling at the moment? Is she adjusting to missing a leg?
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Post by moletteuk on Oct 26, 2021 10:42:07 GMT
Yes, same as Baytril, and concentration and dose look right too. Be prepared that you may need to wrap her in a cloth to syringe feed her the meds, antibiotics taste bad, and with her needing the metacam as well, you might be there all day trying to get it all in her on treats.
I'm not too surprised at 20g weight loss, surely the leg that was removed would weigh a large proportion of that!
Get well soon, Toffee!
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sioa
Warbling Degu
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Post by sioa on Oct 26, 2021 11:12:25 GMT
I have metamizol ( dont know if you know that.. Other Name is novalgin / novalmin), the antibiotic and meloxicam. I have to give them All with a syringe, she dont like TΓΌr medicine π
I think she is doing fine. She is eating and i think drinking. Yesterday and Today she was sleeping a lot but i think thats normal
She is also hiding a lot
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Post by teemu on Oct 26, 2021 11:32:03 GMT
Yeah, that all sounds normal and good. After something so traumatic and stressful, resting a lot and hiding is to be expected. After the pain eases and things normalize, I'm sure she will perk up again. A couple of extra treats would not be amiss in this situation. She's earned a reward
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Post by bouncy on Oct 26, 2021 14:54:33 GMT
Sorry I've been absent - just to confirm, the vet has given you antibiotics. They hate to take that because it's bitter. Have you been given any pain relief/anti-inflammatory? She'll adapt remarkably quickly, and won't have any issues going forward. I used to have a hypochondriac goo who spent most of the time running on three legs, usually because he stubbed his toe
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Post by moletteuk on Oct 26, 2021 15:47:51 GMT
bouncy the metamizol seems to be a painkiller and she's also on metacam.
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Post by bouncy on Oct 26, 2021 17:12:04 GMT
Hooray! Brain fog is overriding most things right now.....
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sioa
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Post by sioa on Oct 29, 2021 12:18:47 GMT
Today was the Check up of the wound. The vet said its healing well and toffee is gaining weight At the 4 of November the threads can be pulled out. Till this date she have to get the medicine and the cage is still one Level big π
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