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Post by deguconvert on Mar 24, 2021 17:06:33 GMT
Oh ZO! I'm so sorry! I find it really odd that he is having so much mucus in his urine. Clearly there is another problem, but what? I honestly don't know what I would do, if he were my degu. Except I would want another opinion! I really would. Have you asked your vet to contact John Chitty?
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Post by moletteuk on Mar 24, 2021 18:34:30 GMT
I think you need to know what the mucus is coming out of his penis and how it can be treated. Could it be a kidney or urinary infection? Is he on antibiotics? In my opinion, I would like to see him on a strong antibiotic because at the end of the day, it's one of the few treatments available for him.
With him already having so many sedations in such a short space of time, the risk to him of having another so soon for an xray is increasing every time. (I'm assuming they have been giving him gas sedation rather than general anaesthetic, there's no way he should have that two days in a row). At the very least it seems like bad planning on the part of the vet keep wanting to do more things every day.
If you restrict the space he is in, you can remove all the substrate so he is on bare floor with just some nest material for his bed, and then you can see if he is weeing.
In my opinion, while there is hope of a diagnosis and treatment then it is worth the temporary suffering of keeping him going. If all is lost or his suffering becomes too great, then you let him go. Obviously, there is a massive grey area there, and you have to go with your gut of what is right for you and him.
We have had mostly poor experiences of chain vets on the forum, they are usually staffed by inexperienced vets and they don't get the ongoing training and support like junior vets at a private practice do.
If I were you, I think I would find and contact your local small animal rescue, there is nearly always some kind of guinea pig rescue, and ask them what vet they use.
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Post by savvy on Mar 24, 2021 19:43:59 GMT
I agree with moletteuk you need to know what this mucus is, otherwise treatment cannot be targeted. I've never had a good experience with vets 4 pets, their main aim seems to be money over treatment, a private practice should prioritise the care, and a good vet is worth their weight in gold! If you remove all the substrate, try to put something like a puppy pad or even white paper down so you can not only see if he's able to urinate, you can see if there's anything in there such as blood. Degus can get cystitis which needs to be treated quickly.
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Post by deguconvert on Mar 24, 2021 23:57:18 GMT
Whole hearted DITTO to the two above!!
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 11:36:55 GMT
Update on him he seems very much quicker today eating his hard nuggets which takes him ages and drinking which is a good start I got him out and put him in his pet carrier put some tissue paper in there to check if he urinates on it he did which is a good sign he is poohing ok too I managed to give him cc through a syringe because he is very underweight he needs to put weight on I gave him his antibiotics and painkillers so all seems good so far now the bad news his penis is prolapsed again I give up now tried to do it again it just does not want to stay in even with a stitch in I’m going to send you some pictures of him and it I hope you don’t mind he looks really poorly so I don’t know what to say or do now but I’m not taking him back vets again about it also am I bad if I just leave it and see how it goes thanks all for your advice
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 11:45:48 GMT
Oh moletteuk he is on antibiotics it’s called Enrocare he has to have that twice a day 0.6ml and painkillers 0.5ml twice yes they did put him under gas seduction and yes it is bad planning all for nothing again he had that Monday and Wednesday tut the vets do only seem to care about the money not the pets don’t where else to ring as chine vets said they are extremely busy to take on any more pets which is annoying
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 11:47:45 GMT
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 11:49:14 GMT
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 11:50:46 GMT
It was out normally a lot more than that and keeps getting dirty what a horrible subject to talk about
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Post by bouncy on Mar 25, 2021 12:10:21 GMT
Poor little dude, he's looking really fed up! Has he chewed his stitch?
His penis does look quite inflamed, which may be why he's having trouble keeping it to himself. Are you able to keep him in the carry cage today? Leave him with a small bowl of cc to encourage eating, water, give his undercarriage a good clean and lubrication, and see if there's improvement this evening without the substrate to irritate him?
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 12:42:53 GMT
He does look fed up don’t he I feel so bad for him I just want him to get better when I pick him up he is just bone it’s horrible I don’t know if he has chewed his stitch it was like this when I checked on him in the morning I won’t be able to leave him in the carrier it’s way to small in it not even enough room to turn around in it although that is a good idea he does not eat the cc out of a bowl neither I have to give it him on the syringe I wish we had a John chitty around Leicester and everywhere to help all the little degus I’ve still got to sort my other degu out I’m worried about her with the lumps near her ear and face she keeps scratching and has scratched her eye I’m not having much luck with them am I
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 12:45:12 GMT
How many degus do you have bouncy and how old are they male or female and how have yours been doing
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Post by moletteuk on Mar 25, 2021 14:34:23 GMT
How are you housing him? Is it feasible to take away all the substrate for a few days? Good to know he is on antibiotics and painkillers. When did he start the antibiotics? I think it is valid to wait a day or two or take it day by day as long as his eating is OK and he is drinking and peeing OK. If the penis starts looking worse then definitely find a new vet asap. Poor lad does look a bit rough, did you get a heat pad? honestly, I think it will make a real difference to keeping him comfy and helping him rest. I did a google search for rescues in Leicestershire, a few came up, do get in touch with them to find out what vets they are using. They usually have a regular competent vet that won't require any kind of referral. www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=guinea+pig+rescue+leicestershire If you check out facebook pages for rescues they quite often mention their vets.
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 14:45:29 GMT
He started his antibiotics straight the way to be honest I’ve not stopped giving him his antibiotics since his teeth got done he had them then and now more do you think the mucus could be a build up of that and that could be the course of his prolapse yes I could remove the wood shavings out of the cage but wouldn’t that smell really bad I will make sure he is eating drinking and weeing ok I will keep an eye on him try too no I haven’t picked a heat pad up yet I will have to have a look and that’s a good idea to ask the rescues what vet they use thanks I will show you a picture of my cage thanks
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 14:52:45 GMT
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 14:54:08 GMT
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 14:54:55 GMT
Look how bad he looks really rough hey and look what the vet did to his eye
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 14:55:40 GMT
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Post by zo on Mar 25, 2021 14:55:57 GMT
That’s his brother saying hello
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Post by moletteuk on Mar 25, 2021 14:58:24 GMT
Hmmm, if he has been on the antibiotics since the dental then it seems less likely it's a waterworks infection, so I'm less hopeful that will help now. I've never heard of antibiotics or metacam causing sludge but if he hasn't been drinking much I suppose it's possible. It's probably best to try and line another vet up asap since the antibiotic isn't likely to be doing much.
If you remove the substrate a quick wipe over once or twice a day should keep it clean enough for a few days. You could vacuum or sweep up the poos every couple of days if you want to. You can leave substrate in any areas he pees a lot. I think it's really important to know if he is peeing and to keep his penis clean, so I would remove the substrate if at all possible.
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