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Post by Bexi87 on Apr 4, 2018 20:38:39 GMT
I’d also have a look and see if you can find any details about a board of directors or anything for the practice. Then email them. All.
Totally agree with Savvy, sub-standard care is not okay and, as paying customers, the normal trading standard rules should apply.
If you want any help drafting emails or looking for info just let me know. Fingers crossed they surprise us all.
Also, maybe a gofund could help with the costs? You’d be amazed at the amount of people willing to help
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Post by savvy on Apr 4, 2018 22:03:29 GMT
Also have you Googled the surgery to see what others have to say about them?
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Post by ntg on Apr 4, 2018 22:08:21 GMT
Sorry to hear he's definitely got an infection. I agree that you should find somewhere else or at least try and see Jo if you feel more comfortable with her treating him. Could you try the Beaumont? It's the RVS small animal hospital so they should know what they're doing! Hopefully the baytril will work its magic soon! It's a good sign that he's fine in himself though
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Post by bouncy on Apr 5, 2018 10:01:18 GMT
Oh, I'm so sorry to read this. It's so important to have confidence in your vet, and their lax attitude worries me. In future, I'd either only book with your one trusted vet (they can't refuse), or go elsewhere.
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Post by deguconvert on Apr 6, 2018 5:44:54 GMT
You should be able to get a syringe that has a nozzle with a slight curve or hook to it, that has a small opening so as to be able to be very precise in your flushing. I think those would be much better than the larger openings for feeding.
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Post by randomname on Apr 6, 2018 5:53:40 GMT
You can get a squeezy bottle with a tube on it to flush stuff out, vets have them. I bought one for about £4 off my vets when I had hairless rats who had recurrent cysts. For us the treatment was antibiotics & flushing with saline solution multiple times a day. We had it down to a fine art in the end & cysts would be on the mend within a day. Top tip, use room temp or slightly warm water, it's less shocking for them. The hole heals up quite quickly, but we were lucky as they were hairless rats so it was easy to see what was happening. Also they didn't have sand or bedding, just fleece & paper.
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Post by ntg on Apr 6, 2018 15:15:12 GMT
Oh dear, I had high hopes for Beaumont being a good vet practice! Not a good advertisement for the vet school is it?! The skin around the wound looks good in that photo, pink rather than red and angry? Just keep bathing it and flushing it with salt water - a 1ml syringe might do the job, but if you can get something with a finer nozzle then it would be better! Maybe you could get a plastic pasteur pipette from somewhere? It's a bit like a tiny turkey baster so should work for flushing
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Post by bouncy on Apr 7, 2018 7:43:50 GMT
titchycatnipsandwich had something similar when her boy was neutered. As well as the antibiotics, it was also treated with honey? I'll see if she has photos and more information.
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Post by savvy on Apr 7, 2018 9:25:30 GMT
If it's any help to anyone on here, I checked with my vet yesterday as she advised me to put vaseline on Bumblebee's leg to protect the wound. I took the opportunity to ask if aloe vera gel would be OK and she said yes, as long as it isn't perfumed.
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Post by moletteuk on Apr 7, 2018 11:01:46 GMT
It looks like the wound is healing anyway, it just depends if there is some infection behind the wound but if you say it feels less lumpy then that sounds good. Did any pus come out when you were having a feel? Is it too sore to try to manipulate it to squeeze any pus out?
You could get the F10 antiseptic solution which is identical to F10 SC disinfectant (I asked them), so either of those, and you dilute to 1:250 and you can use that as a rinse or spray and presumably it has better antiseptic properties than salt water, but it wouldn't form any barrier like the ointment does.
I think I would use the ointment on a clean wound to keep infection out or I would use it on a mildly infected surface wound, but as you say, you probably wouldn't want to use it on a deep wound where there could be an internal abscess. Although, thinking about it, it could be useful for stopping a scab forming where you could then get better access for flushing.
It's good to hear you less worried x
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Post by moletteuk on Apr 7, 2018 14:40:20 GMT
Yeah, I don't blame you, you'll have to use some judgement because he's going to still be sore inside. I guess he'll let you know if it's too much.
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Post by titchycatnipsandwich on Apr 9, 2018 17:50:27 GMT
That wound looks pretty clean - I know it's still got goop inside it, but the skin is normal coloured and not in any way pink/red/angry, chewed-up (think downstairs thrush if you need a visual) or green.
Keep flushing it out with salt water, if he'll let you put F10 inside the hole, do that. What she means by open wound vs healing is that... Ok, when a wound is new the tissue has to go through a couple of different phases of healing. If you disrupt the very first stage, it takes so much longer to heal because that brand new tissue has been damaged by the antiseptic. Once that stage is passed (as Tibbs' has now, it's no longer red and sore but still a bit oozy/weepy with gunk), you can use F10 to stop the new tissue getting infected, and because the tissue has had chance to form nicely there's a lot less risk of a) damaging the new tissue or b) absorbing the F10 into his bloodstream.
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Post by misscatafer on Apr 10, 2018 10:56:14 GMT
Loving the aseptic technique set up, reminds me of my nurse training haha. Wound looks clean, I would hope Tibbs will be looking after it too so with a combination of the antibiotics and clean bedding each day, it should sort itself out.
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Post by misscatafer on Apr 10, 2018 11:42:33 GMT
Could you put some of that fp10 in a spray bottle and just spray it? The trouble is, if that wound was on a human say, you'd just be focusing now on keeping it clean and covered and let the body deal with it naturally with the help of antibiotics. The fact it is on the underside of a little wriggle bum who wouldn't tolerate a dressing of any kind doesn't help! So the fact we can't cover it leaves the option of keeping the environment as sterile as possible to reduce the risk of further infection. I know the gunk looks unsightly.. But it is also the body's way of doing what it needs to do so don't worry too much about clearing it all out. Sometimes if we mess about with wounds too much we unknowingly increase the risk of further problems or hinder the healing process. Degus are very clean creatures anyway (even if they don't always show it!) you are doing a great job so far and the fact he is still on his toy like a maniac and eating /drinking, tells us what we need to know about his energy levels and pain. He'll be OK
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Post by misscatafer on Apr 10, 2018 12:03:36 GMT
Yeah, I feel everything will be OK with him the other thing to be mindful of is keeping the wound dry if possible, as a wet wound can be a breeding ground for bacteria (another reason why on humans we apply dry dressings then just change them as needed). When I worked in a psychiatric hospital, you can imagine we had a lot of self inflicted wounds to deal with (the worst was someone pushed a pen all the way from a wound in their wrist up to their shoulder) and the main things to consider is that they are clean dry and covered.
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Post by bouncy on Apr 10, 2018 19:15:51 GMT
He certainly looks to be on top form! The saggy skin where he's missing his gonads reminds me of extreme dieting waiting for excess skin removal!
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Post by misscatafer on Apr 11, 2018 6:16:31 GMT
I don't think that's a bad thing, just part of the healing process. The time to worry would be a bad smell, blood, abscess or changes in his behaviour or energy levels. It needs to scab over now to protect the wound.
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Post by bouncy on Apr 11, 2018 7:31:03 GMT
As with bread, crusty is good the body is forming a suitable scab so the healing process can continue underneath protected. Same rules re heat, colour, and swelling. Just keep an eye on the skin. Sometimes, prolonged use of antiseptic can dry the skin prematurely.
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Post by misscatafer on Apr 11, 2018 14:09:54 GMT
Really pleased you had a positive experience with them! Your faith is now restored I bet, hurry up Tibbs and get back to usual so you can be with Sandy! What time frame did they give for the two of them to be together out of curiosity?
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Post by Emziedee on Apr 11, 2018 14:55:04 GMT
Initially 6 weeks, some people wait 7 just to be sure.
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