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Post by randomname on Jan 6, 2018 22:52:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:02:12 GMT
I like it! Pretty reasonable price too.
I think you could put some rather wide levels in and overlap them to prevent a long fall.
Nice! No clue where it would fit though lol
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Post by randomname on Jan 6, 2018 23:49:42 GMT
me either, just dreaming  |
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Post by moletteuk on Jan 7, 2018 17:37:00 GMT
They look pretty good! You might need to fix them to the ground, or fixing to a wall would have the same effect and stop it tipping too.
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Post by randomname on Jan 7, 2018 17:52:12 GMT
Yeah that silver one looks like it would fly across the room if you sneezed on it!
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Post by winic1 on Jan 8, 2018 7:34:22 GMT
The silver one weighs 33kg, so while not very heavy, it's not as light as it looks. Downsides: No small access doors for just adding food or water without opening up the big door and allowing escape. Would need a floor of some type, to prevent staining/smell getting into your own floor. No safety entrance/chamber, to prevent escapes when entering/leaving the structure. This is a small "porch" with a door, you enter this, shut the door, then open the main door into the aviary. That way, if someone bolts through the main door, they are stuck in the little safety entrance. Here's the only picture of one that I could come up with quickly, the main aviary is the hexagonal part, the safety porch would be the little square end. (This one is not the best example, the aviary is small so the safety porch/door is relatively huge.) www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/bird/cages-for-birds/advantek-portico-aviary-bird-cage. None of these downsides are insurmountable, you would just need to plan on the extra expense of the flooring, parts, work, etc. to do them. |
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Post by winic1 on Jan 8, 2018 7:35:46 GMT
Btw, THIS is the site you want to look at to dream. Just don't look at the prices.... www.customcages.com/suncatcher-bird.html(DON'T look at the "Small animal cages". Disgraceful. Look at the aviaries!!!) |
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Post by darthchinchi on Jan 8, 2018 19:35:46 GMT
Actually cinchillas do climb mesh.
What is it for? Like a big cage?
Personally i wouldnt buy it. On the other hand you could do some crazy cool stine formations for them to jumo around on insread of shelves. I would reccomend building it out of styrofoam (spelled?) And put some polyfix or similar on to make it into stone lookalike. You can add pigments for effects. Lol. Now i want one
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Post by winic1 on Dec 4, 2018 18:51:45 GMT
Reviving an old thread with just a curiosity question--
Got someone begging me to take in a chin who needs a new home very soon, as current owners are threatening to dump it at a rescue (as in drop it off on the doorstep), and the ones around here only do dogs and cats, no small animals, so that's a really really bad idea.
Last thing I need right now are any more pets, what with impending move and life and all. But.....
Very very soon I will have no degus, they can't live much longer the way they are. Still waiting for them to stop looking happy to get treats, and either go peacefully in their sleep (hopefully) or let us know that they really don't want to go on anymore. Do not know how they're hanging on, Phil looks beyond terrible, but is still happy, Mac doesn't look so happy, but....
This is a single male chin. He would have a double critter nation. Right now it has two full levels and four half-plus levels, staggered, so level heights range from 7" (18cm) to about 16" (40cm). I could adjust levels. However, he would not be able to get out of cage time. House is not set up for it, house cannot be set up for it because of getting it ready to show for sale. Also, smaller dog Luna is a Mountain Cur, which is an American Appalachian Mountain breed, bred specifically for small game, treeing and hunting. Strong prey drive. She just watches the goos with curiosity because they are inside the cage and she's held back from it by a small exterior fence we made, but you should just SEE her go after a squirrel or bird when outside!
So, it wouldn't be such a good home for a chin to live in a double Critter Nation, alone (we can't do intros right now) and never get outside time, right? I am encouraging and providing info to friend who knows the chin owner to make the effort to drive it to a small animal rescue, which are around but farther away (30-45 miles of local driving, and a chin rescue is 80 miles away). Hoping they won't try to dump it, hoping friend won't show up saying they had to grab it to keep it from being dumped, hoping they will go to a proper rescue.
But I shouldn't even consider this, right?
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Post by ntg on Dec 4, 2018 19:12:01 GMT
I mean, if they use a wheel then, yeah out of cage time would be ideal but you could get by. But there's a good chance with the way that chinchilla care is that they wouldn't get out of cage time anyway, possibly in a smaller cage with no wheel.
You don't know what your new house will be like at the moment, you may have a bigger space where you can put an aviary in for them or a room where they can safely run around in without the risk of the dogs or cats. If the choice is truly you or a dog and cat shelter then I'd go for it, see how it goes and then decide from there what to do. They are lazier overall than degus, they have their mental bursts of energy moments but overall they spend a lot more time asleep or resting if that helps you to decide?
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Post by winic1 on Dec 4, 2018 20:09:47 GMT
We really don't need anything new to deal with, and our moving package doesn't include pets.
New home is in Charlotte, North Carolina somewhere. 700 miles south. Hot and humid much of the year. However, *I* don't do well in hot humidity, so the house will be comfortably air conditioned at all times, so a chin would be okay, right? The drive down will be a challenge. But I'm planning on bringing as many birds as possible, somehow, so if a bird doesn't overheat, a chin wouldn't either, right?
Would really rather not take him. We don't need anything else to deal with right now. If it comes down to emergency rescue, then yes, of course. Hoping either original owner or friend will take him to a proper place instead. But you know, when you're a pet person, people tend to gravitate towards you ("my friend has a parakeet that he no longer pays attention to. Since you have so many.....")
But if it means the poor creature doesn't end up in a small cage in the corner of a room full of barking dogs, or cats, getting no proper care at all, then, yes, we'd probably do it....
Really pushing them to get it to a proper rescue, tho.
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Post by winic1 on Dec 4, 2018 20:10:42 GMT
So give me the quick course on food, forage, seeds? How much of the degu stuff I have can I just keep using?
Not that I'm planning on taking him, not at all, just in case....
(meaning, two or three lines, simple, quick, basics...)
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Post by ntg on Dec 4, 2018 20:27:37 GMT
Pellets most people feed oxbow essentials in the US. Diet is pretty similar to degus, you can give them herbs dandelion root etc. @emdalliance gives hers the same seed mix as the degus, I omit a few things and give them 1/4 tsp since they don't get out much at the moment. Low sugar items are best for treats. Then there's just hay, lots of hay. Temp wise they deal with dry heat best - darthchinchi I think said hers handled 30 oC in dry heat, humidity I would say anything higher than 22/23 would be getting into dodgy temp. Ceramic tubes/hides will help keep them cool though. |
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Post by winic1 on Dec 4, 2018 20:40:26 GMT
By 24C/75F with 60% humidity, I have trouble breathing, so he would be okay, I would think. I can handle dry heat, but humidity just kills me.
Really wish hubby's company had chosen to move the office to one of the northern desert-like states. Or mountains. Really would have loved that.
But I am NOT getting this chin. They WILL do the proper thing and get him to a proper place, not force me to take him in.
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Post by winic1 on Dec 4, 2018 20:41:56 GMT
Can you put two in a double critter nation? And are they as tough with introductions as degus can be?
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Post by ntg on Dec 4, 2018 20:53:09 GMT
We've set our minimum as two in a double CN so yeah, random and I both have ours in aventuras although I'm upgrading mine next year. Intros I'm not sure, some people seem to think they're fairly straightforward but I'm not entirely keen on a certain method where they basically squish them in a tiny box where they can't really move for the day then put them in the cage together if they settle down. I'm guessing darthchinchi would be the best to ask about success rate though. |
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Post by winic1 on Dec 4, 2018 21:03:04 GMT
Like it or lump it, huh?
I know I saw degus listed on craigslist down in our future new home area a couple of months ago. Have not seen any recently. Hoping after we get settled, I can find some (the next nearest listings are 600-800 miles away. not gonna happen.) If not, we have this big beautiful cage, all rigged up, will have to find something to live in it. Although a few guinea pigs would be a lot simpler to keep. Would just need some ramps and guard rails/walls and adapting to make that happen.
Gerbils would be able to slip out between the bars, right? Imagine a double critter nation all rigged up appropriate for a bunch of gerbils! They live in groups, right? I'm picturing wild chaos!
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Post by winic1 on Dec 4, 2018 21:33:19 GMT
I have three of these: www.amazon.com/Double-Flight-Cage-Divider-Color/dp/B003SZOUF0/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_199_tr_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=9TZKRT4WKSEC5HARTN7E full of birds, and two singles unused that we could join into a double-wide. We figured out how to cut small sections of bars, and use old, smaller, bird cages as pieces to make small doors, like the sliding ones on standard small bird cages, for easier access without risk of escape. After solving the bottom grates/trays issues, wouldn't something like this be just awesome for chins and other small furries? The cage itself just over 5 feet wide x almost 2 ft deep x 3 ft tall, 158cm, x 53 cm deep, x 86cm tall, with that section under the stand being another 14"/35cm high if a basement was built into it, and it would still be 7"/18cm off the floor. Imagine the shelves and platforms and features you could put into such a space! Having assembled these myself, I can assure you that you can sit a tween-sized child comfortably in each side, and a small adult in each side not so comfortably. The new house better have a big room full of bright windows that has no demands on it other than being MY creature room!!!! |
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Post by darthchinchi on Dec 5, 2018 6:17:27 GMT
Intros is a personality thing.
My personal experience
Most chinchillas thrive equally alone and in pairs. The more chinchillas you put together, the higher the risk of them not working together in the long run. It's not unheard off that a pair sudddently can't be housed together anymore.
A few only work alone or in pairs. As a rule og thump, chinchillas who have lived in pairs and loose their partner, need a new friend. So imo it's up to the individual if they want one or two animals.
If they get mad at each other, there's no chance in hell of a positive introduction. And if they don't click... Well... It can be hard. But it is doable. By far the easiest intro is two young animals not yet sexually mature, or an old and a young animal.
There is a few different ways to introduce:
Two in a small box together (I'm not a fan of this... It's like forced marriage)
One in a small box/cage in the other animals cage (tried this... Never worked for me. Big risk of toe biting)
Cages next to each other (they should not be able to touch as they can bite each other, and toe bites can kill them)
Meet on neutral ground
Cage swopping
Adding substrat from one cage to the other (letting them get used to the smell, same as cage swopping)
Some just click from day one. Others take time, and sometimes it's just not going to happen...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 20:17:55 GMT
I have three of these: www.amazon.com/Double-Flight-Cage-Divider-Color/dp/B003SZOUF0/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_199_tr_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=9TZKRT4WKSEC5HARTN7E full of birds, and two singles unused that we could join into a double-wide. We figured out how to cut small sections of bars, and use old, smaller, bird cages as pieces to make small doors, like the sliding ones on standard small bird cages, for easier access without risk of escape. After solving the bottom grates/trays issues, wouldn't something like this be just awesome for chins and other small furries? The cage itself just over 5 feet wide x almost 2 ft deep x 3 ft tall, 158cm, x 53 cm deep, x 86cm tall, with that section under the stand being another 14"/35cm high if a basement was built into it, and it would still be 7"/18cm off the floor. Imagine the shelves and platforms and features you could put into such a space! Having assembled these myself, I can assure you that you can sit a tween-sized child comfortably in each side, and a small adult in each side not so comfortably. The new house better have a big room full of bright windows that has no demands on it other than being MY creature room!!!! I’m baaaaaack! So I haven’t read all of this in detail but here’s my two cents: If you did get him, two I found okay in that size cage and it didn’t feel super squishy or a problem. I feed my two chins exactly the same diet as the degus, they do get the seed mix but not as often. They actually eat all of their hay, degus just seem to make a nest with it. I didn’t struggle with intros with my two boys at all. Cage side by side for a few weeks (not many)... when the new vivs came I just let them out in the room together, they ignored eachother.. so I just put them in the viv together. They have never ever had an issue. They don’t really talk to eachother (I’ve never seen them chat anyway) but they do cuddle overnight now finally. ☺️ Mine don’t come out for out of cage time now at the moment as the clasp on the door to the room has gone and I don’t wanna ever risk Demon getting in. I won’t advise either way as to whether you should get them. Personally I prefer degus ten fold, but I do love the boys. |
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