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Post by dusty on May 16, 2012 8:19:57 GMT
Hi all, I'm new to all this and just wondered what the general opinion of this cage was. www.petsathome.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&msg=MSG_SUCCESS_ADD_TO_BAG&productId=15966&itemImg=&catEntryId=15966&catalogId=10601&itemAlt=&addItemMode=Y&calculationUsageId=-1&storeId=10551&orderId=5490941&quantity=1&ddkey=http:OrderItemAddWe have 3 baby girls reserved for us but have been unable to get hold of a cage so far. Pets@home recomend this one but the more I read through this site the more concerned I am that it may not be suitable in the long term. I am now really jelous of everyones home builds but can't imagine there is anyway I could achieve such a thing for myself. I suppose the question is, does anyone have one of these, is it suitable for 3 goos long term (obviously they are going to get much bigger) and is there a sensible way of converting/improving it over time. We have been looking into Degus for about 3 years and have done just about as much reading up as possible, studied most of the threads here more than once or twice, visited various pet stores, checked out the local vets etc,etc. So now our girls are ready to come home and I still feel totally unprepared and like its all one big rush Sorry for rambling on, its just all getting a bit scary and I dont want to start off all wrong by spending out on something thats not suitable and then regret it in the future. Thanks for reading, any suggestions would be most welcome
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Post by abirose on May 16, 2012 10:37:56 GMT
Hiya, A year ago I was in the same situation as you, I got three baby girl goos and a thickets cage from petsathome. I can honestly tell you that the cage is a real waste of money and isn't suitable. I though if I put loads of toys in the goos would be happy but I had so many issues. Tinker used to chew the cage bars and it would drive me mental, because of the lack of space it was almost like an obsessive thing. I then bought a second hand one from a user on this site and joined them together, this was really simple to do and a much better size. If you look on ebay, preloved and gumtree you will see how many of these cages are being sold and really cheaply as well (I've seen them go for £10 on ebay). I personally moved onto a DIY cage when I felt more confident. Where abouts are you based there might be users who would sell you a cage and save you spending a fortune?
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Post by dusty on May 16, 2012 11:32:35 GMT
Thanks for the reply abirose. I think maybe we could use the Thickets as a starting point, our babies are waiting to come home this afternoon!! Maybe as they get bigger we could attatch another (I assume one on top of the other?). Once I have learnt first hand their needs, a home build sounds great but I think we need to have experience first. I was thinking of putting some form of barrier around the base to prevent them kicking out the bedding and they could have it slightly deeper then. I suppose only time will tell if we get it right.
ETA: I am in Chichester in West Sussex, incase there is anyone here that maybe local to us for a bit of hands on experience or advice.
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Post by Kins on May 16, 2012 12:06:28 GMT
I'm only a few miles from Chichester Hello *waves* My partner and I have built 2 wooden cages, they are fab, I can highly recommend them. I'd even let you come and look at them if you liked , just so you can see them in the flesh to get an idea. I thought it would be really difficult to build our own cages, but when it came down to it, was pretty easy. I even managed to use a saw, electric drill and hammer without injuring myself. Much more cost effective too Bet you can't wait to bring your little devils home?!
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Post by mhb on May 16, 2012 12:41:25 GMT
Hi there. Like you we had three degus in a Thicketts cage. They were three months old when we got them in April last year and by the middle of September we were having real issues - bar chewing, anti social behaviour to us and each other. It was horrid because they had previously been lovely. So you might get 5/6 months out of a single cage but the CARA for 3 is much, much more than one cage offers. I joined two together and they have been happier but I am currently building my own custom one.
To be honest if you know DIY get the single thickets cage but start now on building a new home.
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Post by dusty on May 16, 2012 12:59:38 GMT
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Post by moletteuk on May 16, 2012 14:36:28 GMT
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Post by dusty on May 16, 2012 17:46:44 GMT
The XTrail looks wicked. We had to bring our girls home today so needed something pretty quick like. So, yeah, we ended up with the Thickets cage but it looks fine for now. They are all still fairly small and have been running around happily for a couple of hours. In the long run we will look at expanding or DIY but they seem happy enough.
Would appreciate any further feedback on the best way to entertain them - they have a wheel which they all dived onto straight away and a coconut rope toy but the cage still looks kind of empty. Maybe I should continue in another section of the boards?
Looking forward to expanding their home already!!
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Post by moletteuk on May 16, 2012 17:59:52 GMT
You can make the shelf in the thickets much wider to give more space fairly easily For cage stuff, terracotta pots, cardboard boxes and tubes, denim hammock, nest box, sand bath, logs.
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Post by jackjack on May 16, 2012 21:34:54 GMT
If you're interested I will be selling a Savic Double Royal Suite early next week? I'm in Billingshurst so not far too travel?
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Post by nubbin on May 16, 2012 22:04:37 GMT
just make sure you line the floor of the cage with cardboard or something. A thickets cage gave both of my friends rats terrible bumblefoot
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Post by nubbin on May 16, 2012 22:07:08 GMT
also I wouldnt see it as a total waste of money when you get a bigger cage, it would make a perfect back up when u need somewhere for them to go when you clean out their regular cage, its also good to have a back up incase you need to split them
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Post by mhb on May 17, 2012 12:51:36 GMT
just make sure you line the floor of the cage with cardboard or something. A thickets cage gave both of my friends rats terrible bumblefoot But the tray pulls out from the bottom and fits over the cage floor... It slides in and out nicely. Must admit that we made that mistake originally.
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Post by dusty on May 19, 2012 11:06:50 GMT
just make sure you line the floor of the cage with cardboard or something. A thickets cage gave both of my friends rats terrible bumblefoot But the tray pulls out from the bottom and fits over the cage floor... It slides in and out nicely. Must admit that we made that mistake originally. Thankfully the staff seemed fairly clued up and pointed that out straight away, we set it up before we left the shop incase we forgot
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Post by dusty on May 19, 2012 11:46:35 GMT
You can make the shelf in the thickets much wider to give more space fairly easily For cage stuff, terracotta pots, cardboard boxes and tubes, denim hammock, nest box, sand bath, logs. Thanks moletteuk - I was thinking of getting a bigger piece of pine wood to form an "additional" shelf but looking at it again I think the small shelves would have to go as the cage height is not enough and their wheel wouldnt fit in. Should I do away with the 2 small ledges and just get one bigger one? They have a nest box but don't use it for sleeping in. Yesterday we gave them a small carboard box and cut a hole in it - they made their own air holes in the back and spent the whole night in it all huddled together. Is denim ok for them - I assumed that would contain dye that may be harmful. Will go out today and find some terracotta pots I think, they need more to play with rather than just things to eat
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Post by moletteuk on May 19, 2012 13:41:03 GMT
I think one big extra level is best. I never thought about the dye in denim, but nobody has ever reported problems. Generally, natural fabrics are best as they will break down if ingested, but lots of people use polyester fleece too, without any reported problems.
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Post by dusty on Jun 4, 2012 10:59:49 GMT
Oh the joy of living in the middle of nowhere It will be 3 weeks wednesday since we got our girls. I thought I could adapt the cage a bit to make it better. So many issues. Our little town/village only have plastic pots, we can't find them a nice terracotta one and no one would agree to order any in for us. The local builders merchants have loads of pine but when I explained what it was for they don't know if it's kiln dried, they don't know where its from or the quality it would need to be so couldn't guarantee it would be safe to use. The local pet store has a few parrot toys, a nice looking hanging log but everything is imported so what info there is is written in the wrong language and most of the packaging says nothing at all. No idea what kind of wood so not really a good start. They also have huge bags of hay but one brand has no sort of product info on it and the other says its suitable for bedding but to remove "foreign" objects before giving it to your pet! Sorry I'm rambling.. The current outcome is, we still have a very basic thicketts cage. It came with a nestbox which they don't really use but its handy for them to jump from, it also is held together with staples which I am getting a little concerned about as they chew through it. They love the roly wheel (big enough for all 3 of them at the mo.) But it keeps moving, we tried attatching it to the bars but that leaves a gap that they kept trying to squeeze into and I don't want them getting squished while the others are running. It's now free standing but each time they move it it bangs against the nestbox (much to the partners annoyance). Within 2 hours this morning I have moved the wheel 4 times, taken the nestbox out but they use it to get to and from the top shelf so were then clinging to the bars, nestbox back in not quite in the correct position so they then started squashing themselves down the side of it! The cage door is not big enough to re-arrange furniture while keeping all 3 excitable little ones under control. The floor space isn't really big enough for all their toys without them all crashing together. We need a bigger cage already!!!
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Post by deguconvert on Jun 4, 2012 14:39:10 GMT
Yeah . . . the thickets cage really isn't a great one, and though many have used them, it doesn't take long for their degus to out grown them. I'm sorry for all the frustrations you are encountering in the face of your efforts to improve their home. Your stress levels must be climbing!
Over the time frame you've had the little ones, have you given any thought to potentially building a cage?
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Post by moletteuk on Jun 4, 2012 16:45:18 GMT
If you can select a piece of wood from the merchant with not many knots, it will probably be fine. Some of us have been using unspecified 'softwood' for a while with no problems, and as I understand it, nearly all construction wood, planks in particular will have been kiln dried (otherwise they warp), so should be fine.
The wooden parrot toys are normally OK, avoid things with obvious softwood bark still on, and little twiddly bits that could be chewed off or random items like leather.
I got some 'Animal Dreams' hay from a small independant shop once, it didn't look or smell fresh at all, so I would avoid that. Sometimes you can tell by looking and smelling before you buy whether hay is any good or not, go with what your senses tell you if you can. Usually they have hay at the supermarket...you might find planters or terracotta pots at the supermarket too at this time of year.
Could you stabilise the wheel with some twine or wire or something?
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Post by dusty on Jun 30, 2012 19:17:55 GMT
Yay! today I cut the legs off some old jeans and they now have a hammock/ tunnel thing. We attatched it with string from above, after the initial excitement of the hammocky thing they now just wanna chew the xs string!!! I hope this is safe for them, tis a natural cotton string. They have put a bit of paper/ bedding ect inside the tunnel so maybe they will like it - they have been sleeping on the floor till now
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